Soriano...what to do?!

[missing23]

I have to say I'm getting tired of his act too...he has been practically an automatic out this whole season...and a pitiful 0-4 so far today with nary a hard ball hit...Theriot with three hits today could have got a lot more to happen with a leadoff guy that can actually get on.

I just wish the Cubs had the balls to make him do a rehab in Iowa before he came back...let him try to find something there rather than bogging down the top of the order.

[Doba]

A rehab assignment would have been good. I'm sick of his inability to hit a breaking ball or even take one.

[missing23]

A rehab assignment would have been good. I'm sick of his inability to hit a breaking ball or even take one.

No $hit.

Why do the Cubs walk around on eggshells with SorryICantTakeAPitcho?

Maybe because he still can't speak good English yet?:D

I'd send his butt to Iowa until he could show he can hit again.

[TheBenjamin]

problem is with the high paid stars, they dont do rehab starts often.

Did Lee do one when he came back from his broken wrist? Has Ram done any in his DL stints.

Plus, problem is, with him (and most big stars) I believe they have to ive permission in order to be sent down to the minors. Even for a rehab start

[TheBenjamin]

yup, he is well within his rights to refuse a rehab stint

http://bestblog.mlblogs.com/archives/2007/02/whos_got_option_1.html

Who's Got Options?
With Spring Training upon us, baseball fever has risen dramatically. The countdown to opening day has begun. And many players will be fighting for their baseball lives. In this report INSIDE PITCH will re-examine a rule that has major ramifications on a team's final 25-man roster. Today, we look at the oft misunderstood "Options" rule.

As the 2007 season approaches, fans will hear over and over again this sentence, "Player A has a better chance of making the opening day roster than Player B because he is out of 'Options'." So, how many "Options" does a player actually have and how does this rule work?

How It Works

When a player is originally drafted by or initally signed by a team, a clock begins to run. This clock is the first rule that a fan has to follow if they want to understand how "Options" work. The player is under the team's complete control for the first three years (four years if player signed is younger than 19 years old). If the player is not added to the 40-man roster after three years (or four years for younger players) he becomes eligible for the Rule 5 draft. This draft allows other teams to sign the player if they are willing to keep him on their major league roster or DL for the entire year. Though, if their use of the DL is limited, as he must be active for at least 90 days.

Now, once a player is added to the 40-man roster, a second clock begins. This is the "Option Years" clock. This means that when a player is on the 40-man roster, teams have the option of calling that player up to the major league team and sending him down to the minors as many times as it wishes for THREE YEARS. If a player on the 25-man major league roster (who has "Options" remaining) is never sent down to the minors in a given year, then a team retains however many "Option Years" it has left until the team has used all of them. After these three "Option Years", the player is considered to be "Out of Options" and may not be sent down without going through Waivers.

Usually when fans get confused, it is when they think that a team only has a certain number of times they can call up and send down a player in any given year, or they don't realize that the three "Option Years" do not have to be consecutive. To highlight this last point, let's use Ryan Zimmerman as an example. In 2005 Zimmerman was added to the major league roster at the same time he was added to the 40-man roster. Even though he has been on Washington's 40-man roster for two full seasons, the Nationals still have all three "Option" years left to use since they have never sent Zimmerman down to the minors.

The reason for the "Option" rule is so that players who are blocked in an organization eventually are given a chance to pursue their careers with another organization where their might be a better major league opportunity for them. Another way to look at the rule is as a protection for the player. Teams are prevented from stashing a young talent in the minors for as long as they want.


Caveats

If a player is on the 40-man roster for THREE YEARS and never put on the major league roster in that time, he gains a FOURTH "Option" year.

DL rehabilitation assignments are not counted as an "Option".

If a player is sent to the minors for less than 10-days in each stint, it is not considered an "Option".

If a player on the 40-man roster is sent to the minor leagues in spring training, it counts as an "Option".

A player with five seasons of major league service time or more (calculating MLB service time is a topic for another blog) can refuse an "Option" to the minor leagues even if the team hasn't used up its "Options". An example would be Roger Clemens (supposing he plays this season). Clemens has never been optioned to the minors. But, because he has more than five seasons of MLB experience a GM could not option him without his permission.

Also, even if a minor leaguer is not added to the 40-man roster, after six years he has the option of becoming a minor league free-agent.

The Case Of Oliver Perez

There has been much confusion in the New York media lately as to whether Mets' pitcher Oliver Perez is "Out of Options" or not. Some are even confused as to why he had any "Options" remaining last year. If one reviews the rules I have layed out, including the Caveats, then the answer is clear.

Oliver Perez is "Out of Options" beginning this season. The reason for some of the confusion is because many don't realize that 2005 didn't count as an "Option" year even though Perez pitched part of the summer for the Triple-A, Indianapolis Indians. The time he spent in the minors that year was considered part of his DL rehabilitation assignment. I have listed that as Caveat #2. So if we review Perez's flow of movement from the minors to the majors, we can see that 2002 and 2003 (where he was called up from the minors and sent down from the majors) were counted as his first TWO "Option" years. Since Perez spent no time in the minors in 2004 and the time he spent in 2005 was part of a DL rehab assignment, 2006 (when he spent much of his time in the minors after being sent down by the Pirates) was his FINAL "Option" year.


"Option Years" Rule Summary


Team's Rights

Team has three or four (if he is under 19-years old) years to add player to 40-man roster.
Once added to 40-man roster, team has THREE (in some cases FOUR) "Option Years" where they can call-up or send down players as often as they like without putting him through Waivers. These "Option Years" do not need to be used in consecutive years.
DL minor league rehabilitation assignments do not count as an "Option".
If a player spends less than 10 days in the minors during any given stint, it is not considered an "Option".

Player's Rights

Player is eligible for Rule 5 Draft if not added to 40-man roster in first three or four (if player is younger than 19 years old) years of his career.
Players with five or more years of MLB experience can refuse an "Option" to the minors even if all three "Options" were not used by team.
Players who are not added to 40-man roster or drafted in the Rule 5 draft become minor league free-agents after six years.

[ARamfan]

I have to say I'm getting tired of his act too...he has been practically an automatic out this whole season...and a pitiful 0-4 so far today with nary a hard ball hit...Theriot with three hits today could have got a lot more to happen with a leadoff guy that can actually get on.

I just wish the Cubs had the balls to make him do a rehab in Iowa before he came back...let him try to find something there rather than bogging down the top of the order.

This is very true. I hate to say it, but I think this situation is going to get much uglier before any changes are made. :mad: I hope I'm wrong on this.

[LeeEila's/rant]

You better find something to like because he is with us for 5 years .

[Jason]

He'll come around... it is May 1st.

[HEYHEY]

It was his first game back. back away from the ledge

[cubbyfanforever]

I like Sori, but he was quoted to blame the wind to take ball when Kapler hit it over his head, and he was quoted that he had a good jump, which he did not, Sori has to come out and say he had a bad jump on a ball he should have made the catch and let the team down, at least Woody came out and blamed himself for the bad outing.

[HEYHEY]

Good luck

[TheBenjamin]

sori also said that the ball wasnt hit good. he talks in circles sometimes

[missing23]

It was his first game back. back away from the ledge

Oh yeah, I forgot he was hitting bullets all over the place before he got hurt doing his stupid hop...:p

[missing23]

I like Sori, but he was quoted to blame the wind to take ball when Kapler hit it over his head, and he was quoted that he had a good jump, which he did not, Sori has to come out and say he had a bad jump on a ball he should have made the catch and let the team down, at least Woody came out and blamed himself for the bad outing.

AS's ego is HUGE...and it has to be if he still thinks he should be a leadoff man.

[Drockvb]

Soriano is swiftly starting to aggravate me. Man, i hope he can get it together. I have no confidence in him at all. I would gladly take Johnson over Soriano right now.

[cubbyfanforever]

Sweet Lou please, Sori should be batting 6th or 7th, Reed Johnson should play CF and bat 1st.

[ryno4ever]

Bob is on there ranting right now how Soriano should have gone to a rehab to get himself back into game shape, so he made it really sound as if Soriano refused a rehab assignment.....

ANOTHER BALL THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN LEFT! I am trying very very hard to accept that this team is better with him in the lineup right now....at this moment.... very hard! AND how he struck out at a ball in the dirt in a key situation.

The way I see it right now, Pie and Soriano are 6 guaranteed outs, which is 2 innings wasted "waiting" for them to come around. That's not going to win you a division.

[Drockvb]

OMG

Bench this chump right now. He is killing this team.

[cubbyfanforever]

Even I , a Sori fan have to admit, he does not look good out there, he should have went to AAA to get back slowly and not rushed this way.

[ryno4ever]

I agree, he has ZERO BUSINESS being back in this lineup in a game against our divisional rival....the team that has a .5 lead against us in the division. ZERO ZILCH NADDA! He should have gone on a rehab assignment, and now he is costing us games.... both offensively and defensively. YOU'RE KILLING ME SMALLS!

[ryno4ever]

I am so freaking unbelivabley p.o'ed right now! I was fuming after yesterdays game, had a horrible day at work, and now I am about to just explode..... no worries, I put my remotes far from reach to save them from being broke.

[TRIPLE PLAY]

Some swagger is gettin rubbed off lately,lackluster play is abound.Confidence is getting to be challenging!

[brian1887]

Wow, Soriano is just awful. A strikeout in a key situation against a division rival, and then he misplays TWO balls in the same inning. Why is he in the game? The Cubs were much better off while he was on the DL. Can't believe he's got a $136 million contract.

[NeifiPerezMVP2007]

Can't everyone just calm down? Soriano is RUSTY (Like Bob said). He needs more time, he should not be starting yet. He totally tanked on that fly ball, but what should Lou do? Bench him or send him down? He just needs more time.


I would be more worried about A-Ram's left wrist.

[TRIPLE PLAY]

Even I , a Sori fan have to admit, he does not look good out there, he should have went to AAA to get back slowly and not rushed this way. He can still spit w/ the best of 'em....wtf? Maybe he's dehydrated!

Guess who's not in the line-up tomorrow & who's maybe not in the rotation for a long while.

[ryno4ever]

Sorry-ano.

[NeifiPerezMVP2007]

Wow, Soriano is just awful. A strikeout in a key situation against a division rival, and then he misplays TWO balls in the same inning. Why is he in the game? The Cubs were much better off while he was on the DL. Can't believe he's got a $136 million contract.

Refer to my last post.;)

Yeah, hes has cant play anymore, Hendry should trade him (hahaha).

[cubbyfanforever]

Well we can't forget what he did last year, but if he would have gone to his rehab, he would have his confidence from bashing AAA pitching, I think Lou and JH jumped the gun from rushing him back so soon.

[NeifiPerezMVP2007]

So, does everyone but me expect him to just be perfect after that leg injury? Come on, its his 2nd game back and he has a RBI.

[NeifiPerezMVP2007]

Well we can't forget what he did last year, but if he would have gone to his rehab, he would have his confidence from bashing AAA pitching, I think Lou and JH jumped the gun from rushing him back so soon.

Agreed, hes so rusty right now its scary. But I'm not going to have a mental break-down over a few bad plays.

[ryno4ever]

Can't everyone just calm down? Soriano is RUSTY (Like Bob said). He needs more time, he should not be starting yet. He totally tanked on that fly ball, but what should Lou do? Bench him or send him down? .
Yep, Bench him. Gradually get him to full time. He should not be playing in a divisonal game right now. Send him down? Even Bob was saying he should have gone down. I guess I've just hit my boiling point with him. It is now May.... yes, he has been on the DL, but his $136 million dollar .164 non-clutch average is hurting this team, and it's only been 2 games.

[ryno4ever]

It's just so F R U S T R A T I N G! We were riding such a high... everything was "clicking". Now, it's seems like it's just a fight through each and every inning.

[TRIPLE PLAY]

Dog days of May!!

[NeifiPerezMVP2007]

I could care less about how much hes being paid, its irrelevant when someone is coming off a injury. Theres less than a 1% chance Lou will bench him. I think at this point, he should not be leading games off.

He really should be playing for Iowa right now.

[brian1887]

Refer to my last post.;)

Yeah, hes has cant play anymore, Hendry should trade him (hahaha).

Explain to me how I could refer to your last post, when my post you are referring to was at 9:40, and yours was at 9:41? Clearly you should think before posting. And who said anything about a trade? Soriano should be sent on a rehab assignment, plain and simple. And try checking your grammar next time "hes has cant play anymore."

[Drockvb]

So, does everyone but me expect him to just be perfect after that leg injury? Come on, its his 2nd game back and he has a RBI.

Not perfect, but how about he try and play halfway respectable? He isn't even doing that. He is totally messing up everything he does. He is swinging at pitches in the dirt, he is lazily running after balls hit his way, etc.... How about, since he is just coming back, that he show some discipline at the plate? He sure as heck isn't doing that.

He is not worth the money this organization gave him. He is damaged goods. He will never be the same again. He runs around the base paths like he is still hurt. I do not see him being the player he was a couple years ago.

[ryno4ever]

It would be HUGE if Big Boy Ward can bail the team out right now.... one swing....

[brian1887]

HUGE home run....... helps a little to make up for his numerous defensive mistakes

[NeifiPerezMVP2007]

SEND DOWN SORIANO!! Oh wait.....

Nice home run!

[Drockvb]

LOL, He must have read all the posts in this thread and woke up.

mistake by Izzy.

[TRIPLE PLAY]

All 3 rbi's--redemption..?..not yet,he still has to go back out there!

[NeifiPerezMVP2007]

HUGE home run....... helps a little to make up for his numerous defensive mistakes

A little? Riiiight.

[Drockvb]

All 3 rbi's--redemption..?..not yet,he still has to go back out there!

You know they will want to hit the ball his way. :eek:

[cubbyfanforever]

Redemption,SORI!

[brian1887]

A little? Riiiight.

Yeah, a little. Had he not made the defensive mistakes, the Cubs would be in the lead, not tied.

[ryno4ever]

Yeah, a little. Had he not made the defensive mistakes, the Cubs would be in the lead, not tied.

I have to agree here. Definately redemption is the word of the night, but it doesn't erase the last 8 innings.... or the 9 yesterday.

[ryno4ever]

It doesn't hurt that we have always owned Izzy..... remember Barrett's grand smacker a few years ago! My throat still hurts just thinking about how loud I screamed as I saw it soaring out to left field!

[Drockvb]

It doesn't hurt that we have always owned Izzy..... remember Barrett's grand smacker a few years ago! My throat still hurts just thinking about how loud I screamed as I saw it soaring out to left field!

I think Len just mentioned this is Izzy's 3 blown save in 12 opportunities.

3 blown saves, just like Wood. There seems to be some weird coincidences happening. Is there a full moon?

[ryno4ever]

Hope not too much, Woody is heading to the field right now!

[TRIPLE PLAY]

A fly to right field....not worried!

[TRIPLE PLAY]

Need to call up M.Hoffpauir STAT to bat in the 10th!:rolleyes:

[ryno4ever]

Need to call up M.Hoffpauir STAT to bat in the 10th!:rolleyes:

I think he's on the DL, ribcage pull

[VanMan]

I was wondering what you all were going to say about Soriano with his mistakes and then the HR off Izzy in the 9th! :D We hate a guy who doesn't perform until he does.

[Drockvb]

I was wondering what you all were going to say about Soriano with his mistakes and then the HR off Izzy in the 9th! :D We hate a guy who doesn't perform until he does.

Yeah, but his average, OBP., horrid running, fielding, and strikeouts still are not worth the $$$ he is getting paid.

[ARamfan]

Yeah, but his average, OBP., horrid running, fielding, and strikeouts still are not worth the $$$ he is getting paid.

You said it, Drock. My main problem w/ him right now, is that I don't want him hitting leadoff! It' so obvious it's not even funny! When will Lou make the change?! :mad: He can bat 6th!

[LeeEila's/rant]

Yep, Bench him. Gradually get him to full time. He should not be playing in a divisonal game right now. Send him down? Even Bob was saying he should have gone down. I guess I've just hit my boiling point with him. It is now May.... yes, he has been on the DL, but his $136 million dollar .164 non-clutch average is hurting this team, and it's only been 2 games.

He refused to go to the minors for rehab. I guess he is just too much a team player to go , he would rather his team cover him while he tries to get his feet back .

[TheBenjamin]

Lee only went for a game. Most major leaguer vets dont go down. They all feel that they are too good for the bus league. So you cant be too pissed at him when most if not all would also refuse the rehab stint

[missing23]

SEND DOWN SORIANO!! Oh wait.....

Nice home run!

He needs to be sent down without a doubt...the dude had 6 AB's...for 18 swings out of his shoes and actually hit one...1 for 6 with 3K's isn't anything to be proud of.

Unfortunately the Cubs are stuck with him but he should still go down to Iowa and try to learn how to hit for average again...and catch a fly ball.:rolleyes:

[TheBenjamin]

keep dreaming missing. you cant force him down to the minors.

[HEYHEY]

We need him gang. Say what you will about the guy but we need his bat and his arm in left.

[NeifiPerezMVP2007]

I was wondering what you all were going to say about Soriano with his mistakes and then the HR off Izzy in the 9th! :D We hate a guy who doesn't perform until he does.

So true vanman, so true.

[NeifiPerezMVP2007]

We need him gang. Say what you will about the guy but we need his bat and his arm in left.

I know. Hes a key part of the offense when a few other key hitters are having a 4 for 30 week.

What vanman said illustrates how I feel all too well.

[missing23]

We need him gang. Say what you will about the guy but we need his bat and his arm in left.

I don't think anybody is saying we don't need AS...I personally am saying that a rehab stint would have done him good so he could get some sort of groove back...he has been a huge liability at the plate so far this whole season...he better hit at some point or he will bring down this team.

[HEYHEY]

You are an idiot

[missing23]

You are an idiot

LOL...that is original but what I would expect from probably the least intelligent person I have ever read posts from on a forum.:rolleyes:

It is doubtful you even do a good job getting those White Castles out!

[ryno4ever]

come on guys.......let's not go down that road.

[missing23]

come on guys.......let's not go down that road.

I do love White Castle!;)

[cubbyfanforever]

We are all Cubbie fans here, lets save it for the Red Birds and Brew Crew fans.

[missing23]

Yeah, it is one at bat but I am SICK of Soriano fanning to lead off games...doesn't even feel the pitcher out...then Theriot does and gets a walk!

AS sucks big time...what a colossal waste of big coin!

[Wrigleys Peanut Vendor]

I say we trade Soriano for Micah Owings

More pop in the oineup, and we help our pitchers.....





and no im not an idiot, kidding here, but just think bout it......

non not really that is dumb

[missing23]

I say we trade Soriano for Micah Owings

More pop in the oineup, and we help our pitchers.....





and no im not an idiot, kidding here, but just think bout it......

non not really that is dumb

Unfortunately nobody in their right mind would trade for him.

SorryICantTakeAPitchO is horrible...even at his best he is incredibly inconsistent.

Don't you just love to see him jogging over to Pujols' ball to allow another run to score easily?! If he isn't 100% ship his butt to Iowa.

[Drockvb]

Unfortunately nobody in their right mind would trade for him.

SorryICantTakeAPitchO is horrible...even at his best he is incredibly inconsistent.

Don't you just love to see him jogging over to Pujols' ball to allow another run to score easily?! If he isn't 100% ship his butt to Iowa.

Although i kind of agree with you, i bet we could get something for him if we traded him.

I am starting to get a bad taste in my mouth. The more i watch him play the more i realize how undisciplined he is. I think he has talent, but i think there are many things he needs to work on. Although i do like his arm in left, his defense is suspect especially with the injured leg. He can't steal bases like he used to, partially because of his leg and partially because he can't get on base. Honestly i think he has a BIG HEAD.

[missing23]

Although i kind of agree with you, i bet we could get something for him if we traded him.

I am starting to get a bad taste in my mouth. The more i watch him play the more i realize how undisciplined he is. I think he has talent, but i think there are many things he needs to work on. Although i do like his arm in left, his defense is suspect especially with the injured leg. He can't steal bases like he used to, partially because of his leg and partially because he can't get on base. Honestly i think he has a BIG HEAD.

Don't forget his current $14M salary...he has a huge ego...at least Sammy produced most of the time with his huge ego.

[Drockvb]

Don't forget his current $14M salary...he has a huge ego...at least Sammy produced most of the time with his huge ego.

I don't want a trade, at least not yet. It's still too soon to throw him under the bus. He did just return and is nursing a bad leg.

But he is irritating me. If he swings at another 0-2 slider a foot off the plate i am going to vomit. And i do not want him leading off. I honestly think the only reason he leads off is because of his big head, and Lou doesn't want to upset the big $$$ man. :mad:

[missing23]

I don't want a trade, at least not yet. It's still too soon to throw him under the bus. He did just return and is nursing a bad leg.

But he is irritating me. If he swings at another 0-2 slider a foot off the plate i am going to vomit. And i do not want him leading off. I honestly think the only reason he leads off is because of his big head, and Lou doesn't want to upset the big $$$ man. :mad:

Yeah...it won't happen...he is virtually untradeable anyway...he is hard to watch when he is going bad because he is neither a leadoff man or a good OF'er.

I agree...Lou is afraid of him for some reason...why do the prisoners run the prison on the Cubs all the time? It was way worse with Krusty though...

I'm almost rooting for another Soriano muscle pull though!

[NeifiPerezMVP2007]

I'm almost rooting for another Soriano muscle pull though!

How sad, rooting against you own team.

Anyway, this team needs another solid pitcher, because they gotta win low scoring games. The offense is pretty good the last time I checked.

Marquis will not cut it this year.

[missing23]

How sad, rooting against you own team.

Anyway, this team needs another solid pitcher, because they gotta win low scoring games. The offense is pretty good the last time I checked.

Marquis will not cut it this year.

Just rooting against a disease is all...I just don't blindly root for anything.

You tell me...from the way Soriano conducts himself on the field and at the plate the positive things he brings to young players?

What should Pie emulate from him?

[InfinitePulse]

It was his first game back. back away from the ledge

He'll come around... it is May 1st.

A couple of people with some sense on a board that seems to be full of skepticism.

Since when is a WS won in the first month? For as many times as Soriano will KO, he'll get on base.

How is it that fans can panic a month into the season when the win percentage is .600?:confused:

[NeifiPerezMVP2007]

A couple of people with some sense on a board that seems to be full of skepticism.

Since when is a WS won in the first month? For as many times as Soriano will KO, he'll get on base.

How is it that fans can panic a month into the season when the win percentage is .600?:confused:

Agreed. Its just a group of fans that like to lose but they don't know it :) !

[missing23]

A couple of people with some sense on a board that seems to be full of skepticism.

Since when is a WS won in the first month? For as many times as Soriano will KO, he'll get on base.

How is it that fans can panic a month into the season when the win percentage is .600?:confused:

Panic is your word...not mine.

In whatever I do I always try to get better at what I'm doing...so sending some guys to Iowa, for example, to have this happen isn't panic in my mind...it is preparing for the future need.

[missing23]

Agreed. Its just a group of fans that like to lose but they don't know it :) !

Could be...but I certainly don't see panic...I think most fans want to see the players do better...and in Soriano's case he is not showing any real progress while probably still being hurt...so it should be dealt with at another level.

In Pie's case I don't think it does him any good to sit the bench and watch Soriano;)...Pie should be down in Iowa working on his stroke every day against live pitching...get him in a groove and bring him up when his confidence is high.

[InfinitePulse]

It is the first week of May.

You're bitching about a guy who's just off of the DL.

You're obviously not panicking.... right?

[missing23]

It is the first week of May.

You're bitching about a guy who's just off of the DL.

You're obviously not panicking.... right?

Whatever...you just don't get it...throw the whole DL thing out already!...because Soriano was playing like crap before it too!

And yeah I'll bitch at a $136M player who is hitting .170, has no plate discipline and doesn't want to learn any, dogs it in the OF, etc. whenever I want.

[InfinitePulse]

He was cold at the beginning of the season, so what did you expect coming off the DL?

I mean do you have any realistic grasp of the game or are you just throwing a temper tantrum trying to get attention?

I get it, you want to down a guy who's determined as hell and tries way too hard at times. I'd like to see you do what he does... you can bring up money if you'd like, but that only brings more pressure. Let the guy play some games before we tear him down...

You'll dog him because he makes the money... Derrek Lee had a hard time hitting home runs last year... because of an injury... the previous year. So what the hell? Why was DLee given a pass last season... c'mon... it's just absurd to be so bitchy this early in a 162 game season. Seriously.

[missing23]

He was cold at the beginning of the season, so what did you expect coming off the DL?

I mean do you have any realistic grasp of the game or are you just throwing a temper tantrum trying to get attention?

I get it, you want to down a guy who's determined as hell and tries way too hard at times. I'd like to see you do what he does... you can bring up money if you'd like, but that only brings more pressure. Let the guy play some games before we tear him down...

You'll dog him because he makes the money... Derrek Lee had a hard time hitting home runs last year... because of an injury... the previous year. So what the hell? Why was DLee given a pass last season... c'mon... it's just absurd to be so bitchy this early in a 162 game season. Seriously.

That is the point...I didn't expect ANYTHING...I expected the Cubs to make him do rehab in Iowa.

Yeah, baseball is a really hard game to grasp...:rolleyes: And I don't need attention...that is laughable!

I'm not trying to down him...LOL...like he gives a crap...you are too much! OMG that is ridiculous!

I will dog him for not being a team player...because he isn't one...because he would pout and not take a rehab assignment in Iowa well, because he will pout if he doesn't bat leadoff, because he can't ever do anything unselfish, etc.

If you can't see my point oh well, just agree to disagree and move on...c-ya!

[cubs161]

soriano will get better so hes having a rough start...maybe a little time in Iowa would be good then again maybe not, pie is awsome down there but in the majors isnt as great, just maybe if he could admit his faults and then start working on not taking every breaking ball that is thrown at him he would be better. soriano just needs time to get back what he lost

[NeifiPerezMVP2007]

soriano will get better so hes having a rough start...maybe a little time in Iowa would be good then again maybe not, pie is awsome down there but in the majors isnt as great, just maybe if he could admit his faults and then start working on not taking every breaking ball that is thrown at him he would be better. soriano just needs time to get back what he lost


I agree with you about Pie. Soriano on the other hand needs to adjust to pitches away and breaking balls. That seems to be were hes being pitched. He'll come around. I guess some people flip out when 1 of 8 players is having a slow start. HE ALWAYS STARTS SLOW! Don't they pay attention to the facts? Or is it just that these losers need a player to hate at all times? I think its a mixture of the two. Hahaha, "hes not a team player blah, blah, blah", thats total BS. Its loud 670 sheep like this that give all fans of a team a bad reputation.

Anyone saying Soriano isn't a team player shouldn't be taken seriously on baseball matters. Its that simple, becuase Soriano has MORE World Series rings than you or me!

Having a franchise record in April isn't good enough for the people who have gotten use to the pain of losing, and expect it every year.

[NeifiPerezMVP2007]

He was cold at the beginning of the season, so what did you expect coming off the DL?

I mean do you have any realistic grasp of the game or are you just throwing a temper tantrum trying to get attention?

I get it, you want to down a guy who's determined as hell and tries way too hard at times. I'd like to see you do what he does... you can bring up money if you'd like, but that only brings more pressure. Let the guy play some games before we tear him down...

You'll dog him because he makes the money... Derrek Lee had a hard time hitting home runs last year... because of an injury... the previous year. So what the hell? Why was DLee given a pass last season... c'mon... it's just absurd to be so bitchy this early in a 162 game season. Seriously.

Great post. Bravo! :)

[Bockstock]

soriano will get better so hes having a rough start...maybe a little time in Iowa would be good then again maybe not, pie is awsome down there but in the majors isnt as great, just maybe if he could admit his faults and then start working on not taking every breaking ball that is thrown at him he would be better. soriano just needs time to get back what he lost

Since he's officially started working with Perry/Lou, Pie is batting over 300. If Lou were smart, he would notice that Reed's offensive production is starting to trail off significantly against RHP.

[missing23]

I agree with you about Pie. Soriano on the other hand needs to adjust to pitches away and breaking balls. That seems to be were hes being pitched. He'll come around. I guess some people flip out when 1 of 8 players is having a slow start. HE ALWAYS STARTS SLOW! Don't they pay attention to the facts? Or is it just that these losers need a player to hate at all times? I think its a mixture of the two. Hahaha, "hes not a team player blah, blah, blah", thats total BS. Its loud 670 sheep like this that give all fans of a team a bad reputation.

Anyone saying Soriano isn't a team player shouldn't be taken seriously on baseball matters. Its that simple, becuase Soriano has MORE World Series rings than you or me!

Having a franchise record in April isn't good enough for the people who have gotten use to the pain of losing, and expect it every year.

Speaking of loser posts I'll reply to this one...:D

ALWAYS?! You are as misinformed as ever...what a stupid comment.

Soriano batted .270 in April last year...308 the year before...267 the year before that...341 in 04...a LOT higher than this year!

Why don't you do some homework before proving yourself beyond a doubt to be the idiot...though it will be hard I'm sure.

As for a team player...what does winning a WS have to do with that?! LOL

AS has demonstrated he is not a team player many times...with the Nationals by threatening to sit out when they wanted him to switch to the OF...he never volunteers himself to be moved down the order...he never uses an AB to intentionally move a runner over...etc.

[missing23]

PS...I don't live in the Chicago area any more and therefore do not listen to talk radio there...so no sheep here...and you are wrong yet again...I don't need others to form my opinions.

[InfinitePulse]

That is the point...I didn't expect ANYTHING...I expected the Cubs to make him do rehab in Iowa.

Yeah, baseball is a really hard game to grasp...:rolleyes: And I don't need attention...that is laughable!

I'm not trying to down him...LOL...like he gives a crap...you are too much! OMG that is ridiculous!

I will dog him for not being a team player...because he isn't one...because he would pout and not take a rehab assignment in Iowa well, because he will pout if he doesn't bat leadoff, because he can't ever do anything unselfish, etc.

If you can't see my point oh well, just agree to disagree and move on...c-ya!

I think it's already been established that he's well within his right to not take the rehab assignment. We're not talking about Pie here, we're talking about Soriano. Been in the majors for quite some time now, and is on his 5th MLB team. I'm pretty sure that he knows how to play by now...

He may be rusty, but him smacking around minor league pitching isn't going to do anything to help the club at this point.

Baseball seems to be well out of your grasp, considering you expect Soriano to have 20 HR already... if that's not what you expect, then what it is? When has Soriano really shown you that he's not a team player? How much time have you spent in the clubhouse?

Or are you basing that opinion on what you've heard from commentators? I thought you formed your own opinion?

C-ya nothing, you're trying to weasel out of the argument because you've got nothing to say. Stop crying for attention. :rolleyes:

[missing23]

I think it's already been established that he's well within his right to not take the rehab assignment. We're not talking about Pie here, we're talking about Soriano. Been in the majors for quite some time now, and is on his 5th MLB team. I'm pretty sure that he knows how to play by now...

He may be rusty, but him smacking around minor league pitching isn't going to do anything to help the club at this point.

Baseball seems to be well out of your grasp, considering you expect Soriano to have 20 HR already... if that's not what you expect, then what it is? When has Soriano really shown you that he's not a team player? How much time have you spent in the clubhouse?

Or are you basing that opinion on what you've heard from commentators? I thought you formed your own opinion?

C-ya nothing, you're trying to weasel out of the argument because you've got nothing to say. Stop crying for attention. :rolleyes:

You must be a joke and also must not be able to read...

How about expecting him to hit his weight? Is that out of the question? How about him volunteering to be moved down the order to see what happens? How about him ever trying to hit the ball the other way? How about a bunt every now and then? How about him asking to spend more time getting fungoed flies hit to him?

[InfinitePulse]

You must be a joke and also must not be able to read...

How about expecting him to hit his weight? Is that out of the question? How about him volunteering to be moved down the order to see what happens? How about him ever trying to hit the ball the other way? How about a bunt every now and then? How about him asking to spend more time getting fungoed flies hit to him?

I'm sorry, what position do you hold on the coaching staff?

[missing23]

I'm sorry, what position do you hold on the coaching staff?

Just the uneducated response I expected from you...thanks for not letting me down!

[InfinitePulse]

Uneducated response? You've said that you form your own opinion, and yet have to provide anything but opinion. You're basing your "knowledge" on what you've heard on broadcasts, and not what you actually know to be truth.

You refuse to give any real answers, and instead attempt to launch personal attacks in my direction, and as a result, show your own ignorance.

From now on, keep it to yourself.

[missing23]

Uneducated response? You've said that you form your own opinion, and yet have to provide anything but opinion. You're basing your "knowledge" on what you've heard on broadcasts, and not what you actually know to be truth.

You refuse to give any real answers, and instead attempt to launch personal attacks in my direction, and as a result, show your own ignorance.

From now on, keep it to yourself.

You unintelligibly talk in circles:rolleyes:...I have been warned by other members about your 'trollness' and I won't waste any more of my time on you.

And, again, I don't get Cubs radio or TV broadcasts where I live other than the odd WGN game.

[ARamfan]

Hey guys, let's try to stay on topic. This thread was set up so that we can all b!tch and moan about Sorryano's sorry a$$ right now. :cool:

[InfinitePulse]

You unintelligibly talk in circles:rolleyes:...I have been warned by other members about your 'trollness' and I won't waste any more of my time on you.

And, again, I don't get Cubs radio or TV broadcasts where I live other than the odd WGN game.

I'm still waiting for you to give a real answer... you've been warned about me? Good. Because while others may feed into your nonsense, I won't.

You're basing an opinion on things that you don't know to be true. That's called speculation.

Give me evidence that you see that Soriano doesn't work hard or doesn't take extra practice with fungos or whatever it is you were rambling about.

I am far from a troll, my freind. I'm the guy who doesn't let you make blind statements without backing them up.

[missing23]

I'm still waiting for you to give a real answer... you've been warned about me? Good. Because while others may feed into your nonsense, I won't.

You're basing an opinion on things that you don't know to be true. That's called speculation.

Give me evidence that you see that Soriano doesn't work hard or doesn't take extra practice with fungos or whatever it is you were rambling about.

I am far from a troll, my freind. I'm the guy who doesn't let you make blind statements without backing them up.

First off, please don't call me 'friend'...as I doubt I'd hang out with your sort.:p

Speculation?...evidence?...nonsense?

You make me laugh! And feel a little sad for you too...:D

Have you ever seen Soriano consistently try to work a count? Lay down a sac bunt? Hit the other way to advance a runner? Publicly announce it is OK for Lou to move him down the order?

I'm definitely not blind or deaf and I haven't seen or heard any of the above ever happen in his time with the Cubs.

[ryno4ever]

Hey guys, let's try to stay on topic. This thread was set up so that we can all b!tch and moan about Sorryano's sorry a$$ right now. :cool:

Thanks Mara! :) Well said. And remember guys....WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER!!!!!

[InfinitePulse]

First off, please don't call me 'friend'...as I doubt I'd hang out with your sort.:p

Speculation?...evidence?...nonsense?

You make me laugh! And feel a little sad for you too...:D

Have you ever seen Soriano consistently try to work a count? Lay down a sac bunt? Hit the other way to advance a runner? Publicly announce it is OK for Lou to move him down the order?

I'm definitely not blind or deaf and I haven't seen or heard any of the above ever happen in his time with the Cubs.

He's basically Sosa with runners legs, I know this. My point is that you're making statements about things like his workout regiment or his commitment to the team... He's up there to try to get on base, and he tries to knock in homers. I know what he's doing wrong. I just don't quite think you're seeing the same thing that I am... seems like you're nitpicking.

I also don't think he knows enough English to publicly announce anything, and right now, he's their best option. He did move from center to left, quite early in his Cubs career if you'll recall.

If anything, his combination of power and speed work against him instead of for him. He's grown accustomed to hitting homers, and gets the weight of the world thrown on his shoulders, so I'd imagine he figures he's got to hit one every time. He's also been rusty since he's been back on forth to the DL since coming here, so I don't think there's ever really been a time when he's been at full speed, so he's trying to rely on his bat. I personally think he's just trying way too hard. He's still one helluva competitor, and he shows up everyday to play. They're a better team with him on it, as strange as that sounds, because his bat will go BOOM and win games for them singlehandedly. Granted, his defense leaves a lot to be desired, but that's not exactly why they brought him here. He was signed for his bat, signed to hit leadoff, and they're getting the best he has to offer.

You don't know enough about me to not call me freind, but I do know this... you told me that you were wasting your time responding to me, and would no longer do it... and less than 2 hours later, you were responding to me...:o