Thoughts on Marquis and Rothchild better than we think

[Waveland007]

I'll be the first to admit I'm nervous and this is a HUGE risk, but as I look at his numbers over the past 3 seasons he averages near 15 wins and a mid 4 ERA and if you take out this last half year down the stretch they are better numbers then Ted Lilly. If he really did fix 2 mechanical flaws and Larry Rothchild is as good as people say it could work. Greg Maddux said Rothchild was the best pitching coach he has worked with and Maddux was with Mazzoni so that is a huge comment. Dave Kaplan also asked people at the winter meetings including other GM's and coaches and they all said Rothchild was one of the best as well. I just heard Rothchild on WGN Sports Central and he talked about how the youth last year and us using guys who had never even been at AAA had to be used as patches and it made me think that he shouldn't get blaimed for our lack of depth last year or high walk rate. You can't magically make gold when you had over 10 different starters this isn't an xbox game it's reality lol, from what I hear he is a good coach and if they think they can fix this why not give it a shot. We need inning eaters and Marquis is a lock for 200 innings. If we need another arm at the trade deadline because Marquis isn't panning out you know Hendry will make a deal. So why not?

[Webgem]

Taking risks are part of the game...;)

[scuba]

All true wave, but Suppan will give you everything Marquis will and more. I just think it would be a bit smarter to go with the sure thing in Suppan as opposed to taking a risk with Marquis. We've already went through the risk-taking with Prior and Wood. You guys really want to try that again? Just my two cents. ;)

[DLee25]

I don't care what they do now, It looks to me they are trying to make this team better, and Marquis or Suppan definitely can't hurt it anymore. (pitching)

[Waveland007]

I have watched Suppan a lot and his low 4 era this year is very miss-leading. For 5 months of the season it was an era of high 4 to low 5 he had a great September and it made his numbers look more attractive. For 5 months Suppan was no better then Marquis. He's going to get something near 10 million for a good month. Suppan is durable, but he isn't consistant as people think. He's very streaky, but honestly I consider both a wash. So whatever Hendry thinks is best I will have faith and hope it works out.

[scuba]

He's very streaky, but honestly I consider both a wash. So whatever Hendry thinks is best I will have faith and hope it works out.

I think Suppan is the better choice, but I agree with you here. Jimbo seems to know what he is doing this offseason. The PIMP is in full force! :D

[John]

This is why rothchild makes the money and we dont. He gets paid to be able to judge if we should or shouldnt go after a pitcher. The cubs brought him back and i believe that he will be able to fix his flaws. Marquis would be somewhat cheaper just for the fact of the year he had and also he has alot to prove and if he can get back to his old self than im all for it. If not than hopefully prior or miller is ready to role.

[Webgem]

That report is NOT true. Bruce Miles in his column over at the Daily Harold is reporting that there is a DEAL on the table for Marquis, but it is NOT 3 yrs $28 mill. The REAL, accurate deal is 1 yr $4 mill with a vesting option for 2008.

So again..the deal is for one yr, not 3 yrs, and it's worth $4mill, and $28 mill.

I got this one from the Cubs MB....I wouldn't mind him for 1 year @ 4 mill

and this also:

####://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/67D9BDED00F7EC7C8625723F001967A7?OpenDocument

[Waveland007]

oh wow only 4 million that is a STEAL. Just to give you an idea of how great this could be Adam Eaton just got 8 million a year from the Phillies. He has a higher career ERA and way less durability then Marquis. Eaton has also never even won 13 games in a season and we might get Marquis for half his salary. This is a no brainer to me, if he doesn't work out it's no big deal. Kip Wells just got more per year on a 1 year deal with the Cardinals for crying out-load lmao. The fact that he could also stick it to the Cardinals and torment them for years is just another sweet bonus. GET R DONE JIM :D

[Webgem]

I agree, 4 mill would be a steal and we wouldn't have to worry about him and the DL.

His bat would be nice to....:D

[Waveland007]

I just looked, the most wins Eaton has ever had is 11 and he got 8 million lmao I think Marquis has passed 11 wins 4 times haha.

[Webgem]

Don't forget, having Carlos and Jason is like having a DH when they pitch ....lol

[Waveland007]

Out of curiousity do you have the link or web-site showing the possible 4 million offered I was asked by somebody else?

[Drockvb]

All true wave, but Suppan will give you everything Marquis will and more. I just think it would be a bit smarter to go with the sure thing in Suppan as opposed to taking a risk with Marquis. We've already went through the risk-taking with Prior and Wood. You guys really want to try that again? Just my two cents. ;)

Marquis was not good last year. He only had like 3 wins after the all-star break. I would much prefer Suppan. I would rather see one of our young guys in there instead of Marquis. Giving the youngsters time in MLB is greater than the benefits/production that Marquis will give us.

[Al Spanglers ghost]

Marquis's negative numbers were affected by a couple of games were Tony Larussa left him in to "take one for the team" when his bullpen had been over worked,once against the White Sox i think.At 28 years old,and a pitcher who has a 15 win season and 3 seasons with over 190 innings pitched,could be his best years are ahead. the Cubs have lacked starting pitchers who can eat up innings the past few years,they should get that from Lilly and Marquis.
Still hope Hendry can package a deal including J. Jones for a left handed hitting cf{Church from Washington or Crawford from Tampa Bay would be sweet!!}And sign either Aubry Huff or Cliff Floyd to platoon with Murton.

[Webgem]

Out of curiousity do you have the link or web-site showing the possible 4 million offered I was asked by somebody else?


No I don't Wave, I was posting it from a Cubs poster on the Cubs MB

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-cubs&msg=257633.1&maxT=6

arrogantnemisis was the one who posted it, but now I think it was false.

6.7 to 7 mill still isn't all that bad for him.

[SkullKey]

From Cot's :


Jason Marquis p
3 years/$21M (2007-09)

signed as a free agent 12/06

1 year/$5.15M (2005), plus $0.275M in incentives
re-signed 1/06 (avoided arbitration)
$0.275M in incentives
$25,000 for 200 IP
$75,000 each for 210 & 215 IP
$0.1M for 220 IP

$50,000 bonus for winning Silver Slugger award

1 year/$3M (2005), plus $0.15M in incentives, avoided arbitration 1/05
$25,000 each for 200 & 205 IP
$50,000 each for 210, 215 & 220 IP
1 year/$0.55M (2004), avoided arbitration 12/03
1 year/$0.38M (2003)
drafted 1996 (1-35)

ML service: 5.012

[isthistheyear]

One thing to remember, it wasn't that long ago when a guy named Carpenter was having a terrible year and no one thought he was a good signing.

[scuba]

Good point. Welcome to the board. :)

[isthistheyear]

I'll have one of those every year or so.

[LeeEila's/rant]

One thing to remember, it wasn't that long ago when a guy named Carpenter was having a terrible year and no one thought he was a good signing.

The Cards picked him up needing TJ surgery . Didn't pitch him for a year , rehabed him and Duncan brought him up to what he became. Weaver had a horrible year , Duncan correctied his mechanics poof MVP. Suppan was marginal when they picked him up the was trimmed to what he is now.

The Cards " Duncan " took marginal pitching to greatness . The Cubs " Rothchilds " took great pitching and marginalized them. Wood , Prior , Clement

Needless to say I really am not sold on Larry . As for what Maddox said , maybe he was just pounding sand up his brother's *** with the comment:p
Hell , I think Maddox's brother has done more with the Brewers than Roth with the Cubs.

[bringbacktuffy]

1 yr 4 mil? is that confirmed? if so yeah that is a steal considering the market for FA pitchers right now. Hopfully LR can help get back on track and blow through the NL central next year. If he does, we are going to tough on just about everyone we play. What's more is I think Marquis will pitch with something to prove since we only gave him a 1 year deal. Super!

[isthistheyear]

The Cards " Duncan " took marginal pitching to greatness . The Cubs " Rothchilds " took great pitching and marginalized them. Wood , Prior , Clement

Needless to say I really am not sold on Larry .

First I would hardly say that Clement was great, good maybe. Wood and Prior were hampered by injury and not coaching. One could argue that coaching (read bad mechanics) contributed to Wood's injury, but no one can say for certain if that was LR's fault or KW's. A teacher can only teach, it's up to the student to learn.

It's quite funny that the majority of the people I hear complain about LR are Cubs fans. Most of the things I hear/read from players and "baseball people" are very complimentry of him.

It's been my belief that a big part of Prior's "injuries" were attributed to the fat lazy toothpick chewing manager that is no longer with us, so it will be interesting to see what kind of "rehab" he's done this off season.

[Brutus T Manstrength]

I dont' know.. Prior has had some freak show injuries over the past couple years.. I mean, if you look at it.. A bunch of Cubs have.. Zambrano's infamous "looking at porn.. I mean, e-mailing my brother" wrist injury, Lee's broke my wrist getting smashed into by a guy who should have been a Cub, Prior hurt while baserunning, Prior's fractured arm on freak line-drive, Bynum's blood clot, Barret's "I got hit in the nuts and they're bleeding now" injury, Remlinger's "I hurt myself drinking a beer in my recliner" injury.. You can't blame this stuff on coaching. This crap just happens. To us.

[isthistheyear]

It was more tounge-in-cheek than anything, and really I was referring to Prior's less than speedy recovery last year. No I don't blame the freakish injuries on Dusty or his coaches. I do think however that they played a big role in the overall attitude of some of the players.