everyone stop saying marquis sucks [Archive]

bczar

Dec 22nd 2006, 4:16 pm

I don't mean to beat down your post because I am taking the Marquis signing with an open mind and hoping LR can turn him around, but wins are 100% a team stat.

Waveland007

Dec 22nd 2006, 4:37 pm

I'm cool with the signing, until he sucks as a Cub I find it dumb to bash him when he hasn't done anything wrong. I have faith in our GM and think Marquis can turn it around, so we'll see.

diehardnorthsider

Dec 22nd 2006, 4:45 pm

I'm optimistic, maybe all the guy needed was achange of scenery, we will find out i guess.

cubbyfanforever

Dec 22nd 2006, 4:53 pm

I'm O.K. with Marquis because he will give us 200 innings,he just needed to be on a different team,that will do him good.he was 11-7 before the break,St. Louis used him too much and just kept him in too long when things were not going good.

bczar

Dec 22nd 2006, 4:57 pm

cubbyfanforever

Dec 22nd 2006, 5:01 pm

It certainly didn't help that TLR supposedly really disliked him, so it better be a plus for him to be out of STL. Plus I know that he's got to have that desire to absolutely burn his former team. Hopefully he can really step it up against them. 3yrs/21 million is worth it just for the innings we should get from him.

I agree,I hope he burns Tony,I would like to see his face turn red.What people do not realize is that he recorded 14-16 record,I know its a losing record but,that is 30 games and he was giving them a chance to win every game for Tony to leave him in there that long for him to be pitcher of record!

bczar

Dec 22nd 2006, 5:05 pm

Yep, it's really too bad TLR and Lou are good friends. I'd love to see that "face to face" go on. It would've been inevitable IMO.

Webgem

Dec 22nd 2006, 5:23 pm

I'm not against the Marquis signing. If he can get that sinker working again he'll be tough.

New coaching staff, new team should help also...:)

bringbacktuffy

Dec 22nd 2006, 5:49 pm

I like the signing. He's a solid young pitcher with an upside and we got him for a bargain considering what FA pitchers are going for this year. If he can stay healthy and post a record north of .500 ill be ecstatic

Shwerve

Dec 22nd 2006, 6:13 pm

I can't look at records as a way to judge a pitcher given there are so many other intangibles involved. How many times did we see Wood or Clement or whoever go 7 innings and give up 2 or less runs and either get a loss or no decision. They pitched well enough to get the win but didn't. Bullpen, run support, its out of their hands.

Shwerve

Dec 22nd 2006, 6:15 pm

I also am not putting too much into the change of scenery/ pitching coaches. He had two of the best in Mazzone and Duncan. That said, I am hopeful he is not a second coming of Shawn Estes. When he was with us, it seemed every game I went to was with him on the mound.

Shwerve

Dec 22nd 2006, 6:16 pm

Oh and don't be so sensitive

cubbyfanforever

Dec 22nd 2006, 6:40 pm

Give me a pitcher that eats up innings any day,We are not being sensitive ,we are being realistic and not negative.

Shwerve

Dec 22nd 2006, 6:45 pm

Let me apologize if I came off harsh. While I am not overly excited about Marquis, I am hopeful. He has had a couple decent years. Hopefully, he can have 3 solid years w/ the Cubbies

cubbyfanforever

Dec 22nd 2006, 6:47 pm

Let me apologize if I came off harsh. While I am not overly excited about Marquis, I am hopeful. He has had a couple decent years. Hopefully, he can have 3 solid years w/ the Cubbies

No need to apologize,we are cub fans,we stick together till the end.EAMUS(meaning I love)not "lets go"what people think,and Catuli(kitten or baby cub or Cubs. EAMUS CATULI(I love Cubs!) just thought I would add that.

Webgem

Dec 22nd 2006, 6:56 pm

bczar

Dec 22nd 2006, 7:01 pm

Let me apologize if I came off harsh. While I am not overly excited about Marquis, I am hopeful. He has had a couple decent years. Hopefully, he can have 3 solid years w/ the Cubbies

No worries about the harshness, but I'd say he had a couple of pretty good years. He does give up some taters now and then, though. Hopefully that sinker actually sinks.

NeifiPerezMVP2007

Dec 22nd 2006, 7:03 pm

Jim signed Marquis to make every start. Nothing more. If he can return to his 2004 form, that would be really great!

VanMan

Dec 23rd 2006, 12:41 pm

Toughy:

I agree with you somewhat. All we ask out of our pitchers are to remain healthy and get at least 15 wins each. Z might get 20 when all is said and done.

bringbacktuffy

Dec 23rd 2006, 1:28 pm

all i meant was that if his record is around 500, it will reflect the fact that his at least, pitching well and not getting shelled for the most part. i understand that a pitcher's record is completely tied to his teammates, but for the most part a good record means he is giving his team a chance to win with most of his starts. there are exceptions of course(clement 04)

Al Spanglers ghost

Dec 23rd 2006, 2:54 pm

Marquis's negative stats from last season were greatly affected by 2 starts
when the Cardinals bullpen had been overworked,and Larussa left him in to "take one for the team".He gave up 13 earned runs in one of those games,
to the White Sox,I think.
The upside,with Marquis is his ability to go deep into a game,[190+innings in 3 seasons],and his age.
Not to mention he,and Big Z give the Cubs the 2 best hitting pitchers in Baseball.

P-Ram

Dec 23rd 2006, 3:19 pm

he also gave up like 12 runs to the braves

Al Spanglers ghost

Dec 23rd 2006, 3:25 pm

he also gave up like 12 runs to the braves

Thanks,that was the other game.

chicubs

Dec 23rd 2006, 10:20 pm

I'd say their must be a reason we gave him that much money.I'm optimistic.

ChinMusic22

Dec 27th 2006, 4:40 pm

The facts are he's had problems with management with both teams he's been on, and arguibly the two best pitching coaches in the game. He does have wins but also carries a high era, and one "take one for the team" games isn't where it's from. If his sinker doesn't sink, neither does his ERA.

On the plus side he eats innings, and with our lineup it should win more games. Plus he's a New Yorker and so am I. He's moving to Chicago, so am I, so he can't be all that bad.

A girl I dated a few years back, her dad coach Marquis is high school (Tottenville HS, Staten Island), and would talk about how good he was, and would work out with him in the offseason. The father was an overall egomaniac douche, but lets hope he's right about something. I'm looking forward to a good season out of Marquis.

Drockvb

Dec 27th 2006, 6:06 pm

Everyone in Cubbie land hopes Marquis does not suck this year. I personally hope he can win 15 games. But i am "hoping". If i use my mind and not my heart, my expectations are much lower than 15 games. I have heard many Cardinal fans talking about how crappy Marquis was last year.
I am looking foward to seeing him hit a game winning homer in extra innings though. LOL

ChiCubs1984

Dec 27th 2006, 7:41 pm

I basically look at it this way. Marquis had 42 wins in the past 3 seasons. I think thats a total improvement in our rotation that only had 43 wins total last year. If he wins over 10 games thats a plus because no pitcher on the staff had over 10 wins last year except Z. I am glad he is with us rather than against us

Ivy Killa

Dec 27th 2006, 8:59 pm

Yea i think Marquis will do a decent job and 20 mill for 3 years isnt too bad in todays standards.....but no matter what all we gotta do is remember it could be worse...the Cubs could have signed Jeff Weaver....now how bad would that suck.

bringbacktuffy

Dec 27th 2006, 11:18 pm

I am excited to some degree just b/c when he's on, he's almost unhittable. He's still fairly young and we got him for a bargain. Im thinking that next year, more often than not, he will give us a chance to win the game. As long as he's doing that, the numbers dont really matter.

cubjersey18

Jan 2nd 2007, 12:55 pm

from what i read rothschild already found a problem with his mecanics and he's been working on that, so, lets hope it works out with a no-hitter against his old club!!

Shwerve

Jan 2nd 2007, 9:45 pm

Marquis for Cy Young

Ryno23

Jan 29th 2007, 8:13 am

ChinMusic22

Jan 29th 2007, 9:39 am

At least he's a ground ball pitcher. He's got a good sinker... He's also got a great bat... A pitcher that can hit as many HR's as he gives up, is always a good thing...

scuba

Jan 29th 2007, 10:27 am

At least he's a ground ball pitcher. He's got a good sinker... He's also got a great bat... A pitcher that can hit as many HR's as he gives up, is always a good thing...

Man, ChinMusic, if he hits 35 HRs next year (amount he gave up last year), he shouldn't even be pitching! Get him in the lineup! :D

NIUCubbie

Jan 29th 2007, 4:48 pm

I hope the guy does good for the Cubs but come on he has 37 loses to go with all thise wins and he had a good card. line up to help him out. The Cubs should score runs and he can eat up a lot of innings as long as he is not over used like with the cards with that said he should do ok.

HOLYCOW!25

Jan 29th 2007, 5:01 pm

As long as the Cubs can produce runs (and they should this year) for Marquis like the Cardinals have done for the past three years he'll be fine. The only problem I have is that Mazoni (sp?) and Duncan, which I think are the two best pitching coaches in baseball, couldn't get this guy figured out. I fear Rothschild may have the same troubles. I hope I'm wrong.

That and our lineup won't get to face him anymore.:)

Greg Maddux, who did work with Mazoone for years, said that Rothschild was the best pitching coach he's worked with. And he's already worked with Marquis and found some mechanical flaws he has. So I'm pretty confident Rothschild can do it.

Waveland007

Jan 29th 2007, 5:13 pm

the ex Cardinal factor would make his resurrection even sweeter so he can stick it to his ex team :)

ChinMusic22

Jan 29th 2007, 5:42 pm

Greg Maddux, who did work with Mazoone for years, said that Rothschild was the best pitching coach he's worked with. And he's already worked with Marquis and found some mechanical flaws he has. So I'm pretty confident Rothschild can do it.

Don't get me wrong, I like Rothchild (though he like Dusty isn't sure what a pitch count it), but he's no Mazzone... Let Maddux say what he will, but it sounds like sour grapes...

ChinMusic22

Jan 29th 2007, 5:45 pm

Man, ChinMusic, if he hits 35 HRs next year (amount he gave up last year), he shouldn't even be pitching! Get him in the lineup! :D

Hey Scuba,

It's all about optomism... Can you say second coming of Babe Ruth? Hahahaha...

Waveland007

Jan 29th 2007, 6:21 pm

why would Maddux have sour grapes he left Atlanta on his own terms, it's not like Leo was in control of finances or even the manager lol.

ChinMusic22

Jan 30th 2007, 10:48 am

why would Maddux have sour grapes he left Atlanta on his own terms, it's not like Leo was in control of finances or even the manager lol.

I lived in Atlanta in the late-90's. Mazzone and Maddux butted heads, on some levels (it was in the AJC regualarly). In his final season Atlanta told him they were not reisigning him. Leo might not have been the manager, but he was Cox's right hand man, and controlled the pitching staff.

In Maddux's 3 years (or 2 1/2) years back with the Cubs his ERA went up each year, higher then it was in Atlanta. His HR's allowed also spiked. You can blame it on age or pitching more at Wrigley, but once he was dealt to LA, he became a diferent picher. His ERA dropped by over a run, and his WHIP dropped as well. Not saying Rothchild is a poor pitching coach , by no means is he, but Maddux's numbers definately didn't back his comments up.

HOLYCOW!25

Jan 30th 2007, 6:18 pm

Maddux started off last season great with the Cubs. If it weren't for the whole team going down around him, he could of definetly done better then he was when the whole team was in a slump. And he went to the Dodgers, a team that was doing pretty good, and pitching in one of the best parks for a pitcher to pitch in.

Jason

Jan 30th 2007, 10:52 pm

"Marquis has had more wins since 2004 (42) than Schmidt (41). "

He also had more wins than Zito(41) and Pedro( 40).

I am unfortunate enough to live 60 miles from St. Louis... so I caught alot of Marquis' games... believe me HE SUCKS!!!

The offense provided most of the wins that you are talking about.

I bleed Cubbie blue... and I hate having a Cardinals reject bleed red in our pitching situation.

ryno4ever

Jan 31st 2007, 1:05 am

To be honest with you, it is just going to be weird to see him in pinstripes! It took me a while to get used to Mabry in the Cubs uniform. For that matter... I had a real hard time when we first got Derrek Lee! I just couldn't believe that we got a Marlin!!!! One of the guys who destroyed our hopes of a World Series was now one of our guys. Now, I can't picture this team without him. Not saying that Marquis will be like that, but I am looking at this year as a brand new start, all numbers out the window. So, I am not going to judge him until he gives me a reason to complain. that's just me though....

Ivy Killa

Jan 31st 2007, 2:44 am

I wish him well.....but if he does suck...then i'll look forward to a rotation of Zambrano, Lilly, Prior, Hill, Miller. Of course thats assuming all are healthy and pitching effectively.

HOLYCOW!25

Jan 31st 2007, 3:06 pm

Yea I always thought it was odd that Derrek Lee was on the Marlins in '03, the team that destroyed our World Series hopes, and then in '04, he was playing for us. Now, he's the hero of our team.

champsx5

Feb 1st 2007, 5:51 am

I'm just hoping that when he gives up homers, the bases are empty. Remember the game at Wrigley where LaRussa left him in like 7 innings when the Cubs were using him as batting practice? I think Tony did that alot with him. Marquis was a good pitcher and then last year he just had a bad year. As Cub fans, I think we want all of the free agent signings to pan out. Starting pitching shouldn't be an issue with the Cubs this year. Along with Big Z, we have Rich Hill, Ted Lilly and Jason Marquis. Then Marshall, Prior, Miller and Guzman will battle it out for that fifth spot. The competition will be good.

mickeyrom51

Feb 3rd 2007, 7:08 am

He will be better than what we had last year.That I'm sure of.He wont be left in when its obvious he has nothing going for him.His ERA, and I would bet money on that,will be no higher than 4.5.

mickeyrom51

Feb 3rd 2007, 7:10 am

I am unfortunate enough to live 60 miles from St. Louis... so I caught alot of Marquis' games... believe me HE SUCKS!!!

The offense provided most of the wins that you are talking about.

I bleed Cubbie blue... and I hate having a Cardinals reject bleed red in our pitching situation.
Last year he was terrible,but other than 2006,he was a pretty useful #5 starter.:rolleyes:

Waveland007

Feb 3rd 2007, 8:57 am

his number decline is mainly father time, I mean he never threw hard, but he topped out at 90-91 in his prime. He consistantly hits 86 now so when his amazing control or cutter are not on it's like batting practice that's why his numbers are up and down because when he's on he's the man and when he's missing his spots duck for cover lol. Petco Park is a HUGE park I could see his season numbers in the low 4's to high 3's, the only bad thing about that park is because Maddux hits to contact a lot there will be games where a bunch of bloop hits and weak ground balls get him pulled because that park is like Yellowstone lol.