Chone Figgins [Archive]

bczar

Dec 27th 2006, 11:03 am

Would you be for or against this? Yes or no? How come?

I think it would be a definite upgrade from going into ST with Pie having it his job to lose. Chone and Soriano would be an awfully fast 1-2 to leadoff a game.

Ivy Killa

Dec 27th 2006, 11:15 am

If Hendry MUST bring someone in, Figgins would be a great choice and he could even be an adequate sub at 3rd when Rammy needs a day off.....I still maintain though that i would like to see Pagan in CF for the majority of the season.

Drew

Dec 27th 2006, 11:30 am

He is a FA? Or are the Angels willing to trade him? I would definitely like to see him in a Cubs uniform.

Ivy Killa

Dec 27th 2006, 11:37 am

He's not a FA, They may trade him since both their infield and outfield is getting crowded.

bczar

Dec 27th 2006, 11:37 am

bczar

Dec 27th 2006, 11:38 am

He is a FA? Or are the Angels willing to trade him? I would definitely like to see him in a Cubs uniform.

I don't think he's even FA eligible yet. I was just asking because LAA are pretty stacked and they did just sign Matthews Jr.

Ivy Killa

Dec 27th 2006, 11:48 am

Why would you like to see Pagan in CF for the majority of the season? Just curious.

He's young with potential still to come...when he did play last year he was pretty good...He's a switch hitter with power potential and i bet given a full year his avg would be pretty decent..He's also fast, has a good arm and plays good defense. what more can we ask for?

bczar

Dec 27th 2006, 11:58 am

More experience if this is supposed to be a "NOW" team and not a building team would be my only complaint.

Ivy Killa

Dec 27th 2006, 12:21 pm

More experience is always nice. Pagan might be a pretty d@mn good player though and we have plenty of "experienced" players at just about every position. I could see an outfield with Murton/Floyd in left, Pagan/Jones (if he's not traded) in center and Soriano in right. I just looked at Pagans numbers for 06 and despite the .247 avg, they are pretty good number considering he only had 177 AB's, check it out for yourself http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_MLB_career.aspx?sport=MLB&id=371 we also have to remember he was injured for quite awhile, but this guy had a solid spring and he was carrying those number really well into the season until he got hurt.

bczar

Dec 27th 2006, 12:31 pm

I have no complaints about Pagan other than lack of experience. I agree that he's got a ton of potential. What I don't see in any of his stats is his experience in CF. I can't really see LAA going with Figgins at 3B for an entire season so that was why I was interested in seeing what people thought of him. I am not really for or against it, but he would bring more experience.

I think the only way that Jones isn't traded is if no other team shows any interest. I don't think any team would want someone on their staff that supposedly asked to be traded...Especially considering the Cubs new attitude of getting it done now.

Al Spanglers ghost

Dec 27th 2006, 2:25 pm

I think Figgins would be great.He's a switch hitter,and a terrific lead off hitter.
[I would love for Uncle Lou to hit Soriono 5th,behind Lee and
A-Ram,if he has another option leading off]
After all the injuries the Cubs have suffered through the last few seaons,how great would it be to have a couple of players as versatile as Derosa and Figgins?
However,the Cubs and Angels are probably not a match for a trade.
The Angels are looking for help at first and thirdbase.
They did just sign Shea Hillenbrand,who can play some corner infield,but is better suited to DH.
Juan Rivera,who played alot in all three outfield spots for them last year just broke his leg playing winter ball.
So maybe they might have some interest in Jaque Jones.

Great idea,bczar,I love it!!

Al Spanglers ghost

Dec 27th 2006, 2:35 pm

I would still rather have Carl Crawford,but Figgins would be a nice fit too.

Ivy Killa

Dec 27th 2006, 3:18 pm

haha i think we ALL would like Crawford at Wrigley but yea.....

Webgem

Dec 27th 2006, 3:58 pm

I wouldn't mind having Figgins in CF...Soriano and Figgins at the top could be deadly..there's 90 stolen bases just in our 1 and 2 holes.

ChinMusic22

Dec 27th 2006, 4:06 pm

Figgins is definately expendible in LA, but would w be willing to give up? They don't need Jones. They're looking for pitching. He would be a good fit in CF though.

I'd rather not go into the season with Pagan as our starting CF. While he's young with an upside, he's too unproven. Let him get some playing time as the year goes on.

I don't think Pie is ready for the show yet, and there's no reason to rush him. Let him get some AAA time, to build skills.

I like Coco Crisp, but Boston doesn't need another outfielder. I think Jones isn't going anywhere. He's a better option for CF the Soriano Besides, Soriano's ar in RF will be fun t watch.

bringbacktuffy

Dec 27th 2006, 11:23 pm

I wouldnt be against it. Figgins has speed, he's a pretty patient hitter i think, and he definately has years ahead of him and would bring good trade value after next year should JH decide to deal him. but, as with all these other scenarios we have discussed, which young arm would have to go to get him?

Al Spanglers ghost

Dec 28th 2006, 10:13 am

The Angels are not really looking for pitching.They are looking for help at firstbase,thirdbase,and the outfield,because of the injury to Juan Rivera.
Hendry might come up with something including JJ,that the Angels might consider for Figgins.

As far as Angel Pagan starting in centerfield,in my humble opinion,he wasn't
a bad player off the bench,when not hurt,last season,but he has only played in 77 games in the big leauges[1 in centerfield].
His stats .247avg.,5HR,18RBI,4SB.
I feel depending on what else Hendry does before the start of the season,
[adding Floyd,trading for a centerfielder,keeping Jones],Pagan might be hard pressed to make the 25 man roster that comes north to start the 2007 season.

Ivy Killa

Dec 28th 2006, 12:15 pm

As far as Angel Pagan starting in centerfield,in my humble opinion,he wasn't
a bad player off the bench,when not hurt,last season,but he has only played in 77 games in the big leauges[1 in centerfield].
His stats .247avg.,5HR,18RBI,4SB.
I feel depending on what else Hendry does before the start of the season,
[adding Floyd,trading for a centerfielder,keeping Jones],Pagan might be hard pressed to make the 25 man roster that comes north to start the 2007 season.

thats alot of if's and nobody knows if anyone is gonna take JJ much less give us a CF in return...but i have a feeling no matter what, as long as Pagan has a good spring he'll make the 25 man roster. Perhaps not as a starter, but on the bench most definitely. Hendry really likes Pagan and so does Lou. We'll see though, who knows what Hendry has up his sleeve...i know i'd be happy to see a Crawford, Baldelli, Crisp or Figgins in CF, but lets be realistic the Cubs never go after big names......oh wait i cant say that anymore, Hendry's stepped up the last few years (Rammy, Nomar, Soriano)

BRING BACK PATTERSON..............how many times must a guy hit you a GW HR before you realize he's a GOOD player.

Al Spanglers ghost

Dec 28th 2006, 2:09 pm

A guy like Corey Patterson is exactly what the Cubs could use.
[with Soriano hitting leadoff]

Doba

Dec 28th 2006, 2:39 pm

Patterson.....are you serious? Only time he would hit a HR is with no one on base. Get someone in scoring position and he strikes out.

NeifiPerezMVP2007

Dec 28th 2006, 2:48 pm

I don't trust a guy named Chone!!! Just kidding.

Ivy Killa

Dec 28th 2006, 2:53 pm

Patterson.....are you serious? Only time he would hit a HR is with no one on base.

but how many of those solo shots were game winners in extra innings....i still remember that one he hit in the 17th inning in milwaukee ....of course that was on my birthday so it was easy to remember.

Doba

Dec 28th 2006, 3:14 pm

Patterson sucked. Period.

Year Team Avg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K OBP SLG OPS
2005 CHC .215 126 451 47 97 15 3 13 34 23 118 .254 .348 .602

In 2006 he hit exactly ONE HR in the 9th inning or later.

bringbacktuffy

Dec 28th 2006, 3:57 pm

I think the patterson bridge has been burned, but in any case I would rather see them bring up Pie rather than figure out a way to bring patterson back here.

ChinMusic22

Dec 28th 2006, 3:59 pm

Patterson sucked. Period.

Year Team Avg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K OBP SLG OPS
2005 CHC .215 126 451 47 97 15 3 13 34 23 118 .254 .348 .602

In 2006 he hit exactly ONE HR in the 9th inning or later.

But last year he hit .275/16/56 with 47 SB's. He was also playing 60+ games against the Yankees, Red Sox, and Blue Jays, who all have above average pitching staffs. Factor in he was on a team with a ton of holes in their lineup.

Figgins was .266/9/62 with 52 SB's. Aside from that Patterson is a much better defender. I like Figgins, but if I had the choice, I'd take Patterson back.

Ivy Killa

Dec 28th 2006, 4:03 pm

^Thank you.....

In 2006 he hit exactly ONE HR in the 9th inning or later.

But how many HR's did he hit after the 9th inning before 2006?

Al Spanglers ghost

Dec 28th 2006, 5:58 pm

[QUOTE=Doba;5088]Patterson sucked. Period.

Year Team Avg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K OBP SLG OPS
2005 CHC .215 126 451 47 97 15 3 13 34 23 118 .254 .348 .602

In 2006 he hit exactly ONE HR in the 9th inning or later.[/QUOTE

The first half of the 2003 season,until he injured his knee and missed most of the second half of the season,Corey Patterson was putting it all together.
He hit third in the line up,for awhile with Sosa out with an injury,and during
that part of the season,he was probably the Cubs best clutch hitter.
Then Dusty thought because he could run like a rabbit,that he should be a lead off hitter.[end of 2004 into 2005] The pressure of trying to change his aproach at the plate,and the booing that followed ruined the kid,at least in a Cub uniform.

Ivy Killa

Dec 28th 2006, 6:48 pm

The pressure of trying to change his aproach at the plate,and the booing that followed ruined the kid,at least in a Cub uniform.

Yup thats exactly what happened.

Doba

Dec 29th 2006, 7:50 am

Patterson had hope, but those last two years as a Cub ruined it for me. It was infuriating to watch him. I used to get so pissed at that guy. Watching him at the plate was like watching Farnsworth come in as relief. I just waited for the dissapointment.

2003 was a good year for a lot of guys on the Cubs. *cough*Prior*cough* I'd like to never think of that season again. If only Alex Gonzalez could have turned that routine DP.

HOLYCOW!25

Dec 29th 2006, 10:04 am

I don't trust a guy named Chone!!! Just kidding.

Yea, I mean if you replace the n with a d, then you got Chode. And I don't trust a guy who's name is that close to Chode.

Brutus T Manstrength

Dec 29th 2006, 11:17 am

My thoughts exactly.. I just couldn't put them into an appropriate word form..

Shwerve

Dec 29th 2006, 5:02 pm

BRING BACK PATTERSON..............how many times must a guy hit you a GW HR before you realize he's a GOOD player.

yeah... and we should bring back Alex Gonzalez too!

Shwerve

Dec 29th 2006, 5:07 pm

Chone is a talent, but we're not a match for the Angels. They really are looking for another power bat and specifically a power bat at 3rd. Hence their attempt for Ramirez as well as the "close" trade for Crede. Between Garret Anderson, Gary Mathews Jr, Vlad Guerrero, Rivera and whoever else, they don't really need Jones. Sorry. Now lets talk more about Crawford........

Ivy Killa

Dec 29th 2006, 5:17 pm

yeah... and we should bring back Alex Gonzalez too!

Ummmm, No Thanks

Now lets talk more about Crawford........

Ok, as FANTASTIC as Crawford would be in Wrigley.....we dont have what it would take to get him, granted i dont know what the D-rays want but i'm sure it will be around an arm & leg.

Al Spanglers ghost

Dec 30th 2006, 12:34 pm

If we can,t have Crawford or Figgins,maybe Uncle Lou can talk to his old buddy Ichiro in Seattle.He's in the last year of his contract,he's only 33,
.376obp lifetime,.331ba lifetime,45 steals last season,lefthanded hitting CF.
What the hell,Hendry is spending Tribune co's money like it's water,we can dream.
Send them Pie,Cedeno,Guzman,Ohman,Marshall,and Ronnie Woo Woo!!

Al Spanglers ghost

Dec 30th 2006, 12:36 pm

Just kidding about Ronnie Woo Woo,he has a no trade clause,or is that a sanity clause,I forget now.

Shwerve

Dec 30th 2006, 12:42 pm

Spangler- you are king. Ronnie Woo can be traded, but the dental plan has to be included in the deal

Shwerve

Dec 30th 2006, 12:43 pm

Hello Ichiro!

Ivy Killa

Dec 30th 2006, 1:06 pm

LOL @ trading Ronnie Woo Woo....thats classic.

HOLYCOW!25

Dec 30th 2006, 2:49 pm

yeah... and we should bring back Alex Gonzalez too!

That man is dead to me.

Webgem

Dec 30th 2006, 4:24 pm

That man is dead to me.

I think he quit baseball.

HOLYCOW!25

Dec 30th 2006, 4:39 pm

Good ridance.

Ivy Killa

Dec 30th 2006, 4:44 pm

damn he did retire http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=1925
now c'mon guys, i do agree he ****ed things up for us more so than bartman did, but lets not be too harsh on him...i still remember those GW HR's he always seemed to hit against the cards.

ryno4ever

Dec 30th 2006, 9:41 pm

Al Spanglers ghost

Dec 31st 2006, 12:57 pm

Hello Ichiro!

Goodbye Woo Woo!!!

bringbacktuffy

Dec 31st 2006, 1:06 pm

What about a package deal? Woo Woo and the brass band, who could we get?

Al Spanglers ghost

Dec 31st 2006, 1:07 pm

A Gon will always ALWAYS be remembered for fouling (sorry, no pun intended) up the double play.... as Buckner will always be remembered for the ball going between his legs...as will Leon Durham. They will go down in baseball history books in the Chapters labeled "The Goats".

Did anyone every think about the fact that Leon Durham replaced Bill Buckner
at firstbase for the Cubs in may of 1984,after Buckner was traded to Boston
for Dennis Eckersly.
They are both most talked about and remembered for"balls between their legs"[so to speak,as are two other big bats Ron Jeremy and John Holmes]