My almost error in judgement.

[ChiCubs1984]

I am done being mad now at the Cubs, It took me awile after the NLDS to calm down. I even considered jumping ship, I really did think about it. I been a Chicago Cubs fan for 25 years I seen wins, losses, tasted what the World Series would be like. I really stared at my picture of Wrigley Field above my bed and thought to myself do I really want to go into Wrigley Field the baseball Mecca and not be a fan of the Cubs? I said No,I been a fan this long why change now. Right then I put on my Cubs hat I threw into my closet and laughed saying to myself everyone is right, this team is an addiction and I still can't get enough.

[ryno4ever]

I know how you feel.... yep, they are an addiction... I even heard it compared to a tortuous love affair.... but come Spring... it's a whole new beginning.

[taz57]

Same here. I had an empty feeling up until a couple of days ago. It wasn't supposed to end like it did after all the great things that happened all summer. I'm actually starting to enjoy watching the playoffs, something I thought I'd never do a couple of weeks ago. I'm sure I'll be right back at it in the spring.

I will admit that I have watched the Bears at a safe distance since the loss in the Super Bowl. I spent many a sleepless Saturday night during the playoff run in January leading up to the big game. The loss to the Colts was very deflating. I didn't let the poor play of the Bears in 2007 get to me as much as I used to.

[TheBenjamin]

im over the loss and the disapoiting season (as you can tell by my new myspace page) but I still have the bad feelings. Just like with any relationship that ends, you will also be stuck with something.

[ChiCubs1984]

My feelings for the Bears haven't changed since the Super Bowl loss, yeah it sucked I was kinda blue for a couple of days, but this Cubs season really punched me in the gut. I always wear my Cubs hat with a smile on my face but I was sooo ticked after the NLDS I even tried on Dodgers hats and looking for Nomar jerseys. Then I thought...you been through worse than this with the Cubs. I survived the Jim Riggleman years, perk up the Cubs have been the best team in the division 2 years in a row and no one is getting any better so maybe it will be 3. Then I put on my Bears shirt and Cubs jersey and Cubs hat and went out to face the world.

[KingKong10]

the 162 MLB game schedule and the 82 game NBA schedule are why i find these to be my two favorite sports -

because there's always a game to look forward too - year round.

i love football but the short schedule, 1 game a week make each game mean too much.

the daily ritual of the Cubs pre game, the game itself and then the post game/overanalysis is what it's all about for me.

yes, an extra month of post season baseball is nice but the 6 months of daily baseball is somethign you can count on. as a cub fan i'm not used to October baseball. i'd like to lean to get used to it....

[TheBenjamin]

I will remain a Cubs fan until the day I die. With one exception.

If they reach 2045 without a World Series appearance, I am done. :D they have 37 yaers to get there

[ARamfan]

A couple of my friends suggested I remove the Cubs license plate from the front of my car. I thought about it a bit and realized I wouldn't know what kind of plate to replace it with. :rolleyes: Then it dawned on me, why would I replace it just because they lost? This is who I am, a Cub fan till the day I die! The license plate stays!!

[TrueBlueCubFan]

True Cub fans are the most loyal in all of sports. No fan base can compare. NONE! This is what many other fan bases don't understand & dislike about True Cub fans is their undying passion & never ending loyalty, because they will never ever be able to match it & that drives them nuts. (i.e. White Sox fans).

I will always be proud to be a True Cub fan! Win or lose, they will always be my Team!

[thisistheday]

Amen.

I love the Cubs. Always have, always will. And I ain't ashamed of it.

[Bims]

Not being a Cubs fan has never been an option for me. My fandom doesn't hinder on wether the Cubs win a world series or not. But I am getting pissed off at the Cubs as an organization. Their is no substance to the Chicago Cubs really. Sure their is the fanbase, Wrigley Field, and great marketing. But what have the Cubs done on the field? Nothing! Seriously! What winning tradition do they have? The Cubs are looked on as a cute story every year. But not a feared and respected organization through out baseball. The Cubs have become a baseball gimmick that i'm getting tired of. With ever stupid 7th inning guest conductor. Or every dumb chorus of " Go Cubs Go" after wins, I just get more and more pissed off. Because in the end the Cubs haven't been doing what this game is ultimately about: WINNING! Watching the Cubs get dominated in the playoffs by the Dodgers. Then watching the Dodgers get dominated by the Phillies just got me even more pissed. Then seeing how far the Rays have come as an organization. Not to mention last season the Rockies. What the Marlins have done in their short existence. And the D'Backs winning a World Series. When you actually sit back and look at things objectively you realize that the Cubs are one of the least credible organizations in baseball! ..... So next season when the Cubs win 95 games and make the playoffs, every team in baseball will once again be shaking their heads at the Cubs with no fear. And absolutely no respect. Because the Cubs haven't earned it. But that won't change anything for me. I may be pissed about it. I may have the balls to point it out. But once again I will be cheering them on and continue to be a die hard fan!

[ChiCubs1984]

Okay 1st of all I do agree with your point of with the 7th inning stretch conductor that is really getting annoying. Harry has been dead 10 years its time to give it up. Singing Go Cubs Go after every home win is one of those things I look forward to after a victory. Its good to me like the beautiful white and blue W flag flying on the scoreboard. Not only is it a kinda like a thank you to the Cubs its also a tribute to Steve Goodman a real loyal Cubs fan who wrote that song. As of right now the Cubs have won 724 games in the past 8 years, 3 Division titles, that has been the best span of 8 years the Cubs have had since the 30's when they won 3 NL Pennants. So where you get the Cubs have no winning tradition I don't know. I think teams are starting to realize that the Cubs aren't the doormat of the National League anymore but legitimate playoff contenders. Yes, its been hard seeing them lose in the playoffs the last 3 trips there example my starter thread. Yes, I want the Cubs to hoist the World Series trophy more than live itself, but also think of this you think the Cubs were in the position to win these many games back in the 80's and 90's where we were lucky to win 78 games? The Cubs playoffs were beating the contenders and be the spoilers. Your point of respect talk to the teams in the National League Central this year, talk to the Colorado Rockies who saw their 9-1 lead turn into a 10-9 loss. Talk to the Milwaukee Brewers after the Cubs swept them and took the division basically that day forth. I think they don't fear some of our players example Fukudome, Soriano when he is on a cold streak, Lee with 1 out and a runner on 1st, but the Cubs have to build on what they did this year next year just like they did this year after '07. The teams you talk about Marlins of '97 bought their World Series ring. Arizona had good quality vetran players thats why they were sucessful, Colorado had to win what 20+ games just to get into the postseason and get crushed in the World Series by Boston. Your problem is you analize everything damn inning, pitch, lineup, like I told you before just watch and enjoy games. I been fustrated too, I been so mad I kicked my cat (she is fine by the way) but at the end of the day when the Cubs win the game win it nothing else matters only numbers that matter are the ones in the standings so far there has been more W's than L's

[Bims]

Your problem is you analize everything damn inning, pitch, lineup, like I told you before just watch and enjoy games. I enjoy every aspect of baseball, win or lose. But I think you're wrong about analyzing all aspects of baseball as being a problem. I think the problem with Cubs fans is that they don't analyze enough. Cubs fans buy way too much into the circus aspect of the Cubs organization. I said it before and i'll say it again, the Cubs have the best public relations department in all of sports. It's a public relations department that continues to be able to mask the lack of credibility the Cubs have as an organization. And the fans continue to buy into it. It pisses me off as a Cubs fan. Winning back to back division titles doesn't give an organization credibility. Selling out home games doesn't give an organization credibility. Winning big games does. And the Cubs continue to fail to do so. Look beyond the mask of the Chicago Cubs. Look at the substance. It's just not there! The Cubs stay stuck in the mud while organizations like the Marlins, D'Backs, Rockies, and Rays all pass the Cubs up. As a huge Cubs fan it's really enraging. I can see it as clear as day. Unfortunately not many Cubs fans can. That's why they continue to buy into 7th inning stretch conductors. Terrible Eddie Vedder songs. High ticket prices. And corporations filling up Wrigley Field in playoff games. But hey keep singing "Go Cubs Go" after wins in May. The Cubs and their genius PR department will keep selling fans the same BS as long as the fans keep buying it!

[ChiCubs1984]

I personally always analized the games for many years and eventually I gave that up who needs the headache?? A good majority of Cub fans I talk to can't stand the 7th inning commercial even Sox fans I know ask when are going to give that up. The only "circus aspect" and PR the Cubs really needs and has is that field on Clark and Addison. If you take the Cubs out of Wrigley Field what do you got? Only thing WGN or Comcast has to do is show Wrigley Field, sunshine, and some girls in the bleachers and they won butts in the seats and the Cubs as the side show. Look at the attendance on baseball reference when the Cubs finished dead last they still had 2,000,000+ people go through the turnstiles. I said many times if it takes moving the Cubs out of Wrigley to win the World Series bring in the wrecking ball tear it down!! My team means more to me then the field/stadium they play in. Take for instance I hate New Soldier Field with a passion but my love is the Bears, that is where they play there home games so I have to tolerate it. Now if the Cubs move out of Wrigley is my heart going to break?? maybe for a short bit but my team is what matters. The Sox really didn't care moving out of Old Comiskey into the Cell/Comiskey Park. I agree winning back to back division titles isn't going to give them creditibility but its alot better than winning jack crap hoping just for a .500 season again. Many fans are tired of the old song and dance, we want a championship soon.

[ICcubfan]

We had the Hawk, then it was Gracie and 3,00 hits,then Sosa and the HR's but that is all we had because there was no winning! Until the Cubs come up with a lineup that can hit in the playoffs forgetaboutit. All I can think about is Atlanta with 13 or more titles in a row and what 1 ring? Seattle won 106 games and didn't win a WS. I like Rammy, Sori and Lee but they have not won the cubs a title and I think it is time to entertain offers for them. We really have no pitchers without doubts now. Z could eat his way out of baseball, Hardin is DL ready and we might not sign Dempster which is a crap shoot anyway. We need pen help in the worst way. With that said I will be here every day waiting on Jim Hendry to make solid moves to improve the Club. I would like to see us get Peavy and CC and really go for a right fielder, CF leadoff man and see what we can do. Bing a cub fan is....... I don't know!
Cheers!

[Pizza_the_Hut]

Not being a Cubs fan has never been an option for me. My fandom doesn't hinder on wether the Cubs win a world series or not. But I am getting pissed off at the Cubs as an organization. Their is no substance to the Chicago Cubs really. Sure their is the fanbase, Wrigley Field, and great marketing. But what have the Cubs done on the field? Nothing! Seriously! What winning tradition do they have? The Cubs are looked on as a cute story every year. But not a feared and respected organization through out baseball. The Cubs have become a baseball gimmick that i'm getting tired of. With ever stupid 7th inning guest conductor. Or every dumb chorus of " Go Cubs Go" after wins, I just get more and more pissed off. Because in the end the Cubs haven't been doing what this game is ultimately about: WINNING! Watching the Cubs get dominated in the playoffs by the Dodgers. Then watching the Dodgers get dominated by the Phillies just got me even more pissed. Then seeing how far the Rays have come as an organization. Not to mention last season the Rockies. What the Marlins have done in their short existence. And the D'Backs winning a World Series. When you actually sit back and look at things objectively you realize that the Cubs are one of the least credible organizations in baseball! ..... So next season when the Cubs win 95 games and make the playoffs, every team in baseball will once again be shaking their heads at the Cubs with no fear. And absolutely no respect. Because the Cubs haven't earned it. But that won't change anything for me. I may be pissed about it. I may have the balls to point it out. But once again I will be cheering them on and continue to be a die hard fan!

Wait a second here... Did you just complain about the Cubs not having any credibility as a powerhouse team and not having a winning tradition yet cite the two Florida teams and the Rockies as examples? :confused:

The Rays had trouble figuring out who was going to throw out the first pitch of their first post-season game in franchise history. They barely have any tradition at all much less a winning one...


Here's what it boils down to. The Cubs history is what it is. You can't change it. You can only look forward. When you win 97 games and are the best team in the NL, you have just as much of a chance to get to and win the World series as any of the other 7 playoff teams no matter what your team's history is.

The simple fact is that many times the "best" teams don't win the World Series. Look at the two 116-win teams in MLB history, the Angels this year.

[Bims]

Wait a second here... Did you just complain about the Cubs not having any credibility as a powerhouse team and not having a winning tradition yet cite the two Florida teams and the Rockies as examples? :confused:

The Rays had trouble figuring out who was going to throw out the first pitch of their first post-season game in franchise history. They barely have any tradition at all much less a winning one...


I don't understand why you seem confused. And you aren't getting it. Credibility does not come from finding a person to throw out a first ptich. What does that have to do with anything? It's about winning. Cubs fans get tricked with the dog and pony show that the Cubs have turned into in recent years. I don't care how many promotional days they have. How many celebrity guests come into the booth. It's all about wins and loses as an organization. It all about winning championships. ..... All around baseball the Rays have more credibility then the Cubs right now. They have made the world series with a much much much lower payroll then the Cubs. Same goes for the Rockies last year. And Florida has won 2 world series in their short time as a franchise. The Cubs have not made it to the world series since 1945! Seriously look at that. The Cubs have not won a championship in over 100 years! Seriously look at that. Lets stop being blind. The Cubs mask their lack of credibility to their fans with all the off the field stuff they do. But every one else in baseball sees things for what they are. The Cubs as an organization are way at the bottom in the credibility department.

[Pizza_the_Hut]

I don't understand why you seem confused. And you aren't getting it. Credibility does not come from finding a person to throw out a first ptich. What does that have to do with anything? It's about winning. Cubs fans get tricked with the dog and pony show that the Cubs have turned into in recent years. I don't care how many promotional days they have. How many celebrity guests come into the booth. It's all about wins and loses as an organization. It all about winning championships. ..... All around baseball the Rays have more credibility then the Cubs right now. They have made the world series with a much much much lower payroll then the Cubs. Same goes for the Rockies last year. And Florida has won 2 world series in their short time as a franchise. The Cubs have not made it to the world series since 1945! Seriously look at that. The Cubs have not won a championship in over 100 years! Seriously look at that. Lets stop being blind. The Cubs mask their lack of credibility to their fans with all the off the field stuff they do. But every one else in baseball sees things for what they are. The Cubs as an organization are way at the bottom in the credibility department.


So what exactly is the point you are trying to make then? I'm pretty sure everyone that 99% of the people that go to a game know the basic history of the team. If your really that upset with them, then stop going to the games. Stop buying the merchandise. Stop watching them on TV and listening to them on the radio. Refuse to support an organization that has no "credibility" as you say.

I'm just trying to figure out what all that has to do with anything? Do teams come into Wrigley field and say "Pfft... these guys haven't won a WS in 100 years, we're going to wipe the floor with them."

Do free agents pass on coming to the team because of it? Do top-tier managers and front-office people pass up the opportuity to be part of it?

What exactly does this all have to do with the team on the field?

[Bims]

So what exactly is the point you are trying to make then? I'm pretty sure everyone that 99% of the people that go to a game know the basic history of the team. If your really that upset with them, then stop going to the games. Stop buying the merchandise. Stop watching them on TV and listening to them on the radio. Refuse to support an organization that has no "credibility" as you say.

I'm just trying to figure out what all that has to do with anything? Do teams come into Wrigley field and say "Pfft... these guys haven't won a WS in 100 years, we're going to wipe the floor with them."

Do free agents pass on coming to the team because of it? Do top-tier managers and front-office people pass up the opportuity to be part of it?

What exactly does this all have to do with the team on the field? This has to do with establishing a credible organization. From the bottom up things need to change. The reason I am upset is because I am a die hard fan. No mater what that won't change. I'm just tired of my team being a circus. Too much is put into public relations and promotions. Not enough is put into the actual baseball aspects of the organizaion like the draft and farm system. I'm tired of 7th inning stretches and the Cubs making tons of money off of us fans. ..... Yes I do believe teams see the Cub and say "Pfft". The Dodgers weren't scared of the Cubs. Alot of people around baseball thought the Cubs would have a tough time with the Dodgers. Baseball sees the Cubs as a nice little story. They give the Cubs a nice pat on the head and hope they pull off some underdog story. But nobody fears or respects the Cubs. ..... No, players won't pass on the Cubs. But they won't pass on the Nationals, Marlins, Braves, Pirates, etc. It's all about money. ..... My point is I am not a fan who lives in the dark. I'm not a rube. I don't let my teams genius PR department blind me from what this game is about. The Cubs fan base gets fooled year after year. I want the Cubs to drop the circus act and to focus strictly on baseball. Because for me it's all about wins. I refuse to be another slack jawed Cubs fan who shoots a load in his pants every time a new Cubs song comes out.

[Pizza_the_Hut]

This has to do with establishing a credible organization. From the bottom up things need to change. The reason I am upset is because I am a die hard fan. No mater what that won't change. I'm just tired of my team being a circus. Too much is put into public relations and promotions. Not enough is put into the actual baseball aspects of the organizaion like the draft and farm system. I'm tired of 7th inning stretches and the Cubs making tons of money off of us fans. ..... Yes I do believe teams see the Cub and say "Pfft". The Dodgers weren't scared of the Cubs. Alot of people around baseball thought the Cubs would have a tough time with the Dodgers. Baseball sees the Cubs as a nice little story. They give the Cubs a nice pat on the head and hope they pull off some underdog story. But nobody fears or respects the Cubs. ..... No, players won't pass on the Cubs. But they won't pass on the Nationals, Marlins, Braves, Pirates, etc. It's all about money. ..... My point is I am not a fan who lives in the dark. I'm not a rube. I don't let my teams genius PR department blind me from what this game is about. The Cubs fan base gets fooled year after year. I want the Cubs to drop the circus act and to focus strictly on baseball. Because for me it's all about wins. I refuse to be another slack jawed Cubs fan who shoots a load in his pants every time a new Cubs song comes out.


I see what you're saying but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. It's all about the $$$ now. There's a lot being made by a lot of people right now and I don't think they are going to push that all aside to focus strictly on baseball. It's already gotten too big.