C. Patterson on the trading block?

[Ivy Killa]

i just found this.....lets hope JH gives the Orioles a call. I think he's had enough of a change of scenery. sorry for posting a new thread about this, but y'all know me and my evergoing quest to bring Corey back.

The Orioles and Aubrey Huff are closing in on a three year deal, worth 20 million dollars. Huff batted .267 with 21 homers and 66 RBIs with the Devil Rays and Astros, and is probably the best free agent acquisition this off season. His total contract is what players Barry Zito and Vernon Wells will make annually, and Huff is still a great player that will help the Orioles. Not only will he provide protection to Miguel Tejada in the lineup, but it gives the team the option of trading Corey Patterson or Jay Gibbons. A deal should be finalized next week.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6317476

[ARamfan]

I'll join your quest, I've always wanted Corey back. I was upset when he left, but I knew at the time it had to be done:( Maybe the change of scenery has helped. I know of a lot people will disagree with me, but as long as he's hitting again, why not get him back?

[ryno4ever]

Corey was run out of town by the booing fans. With a new coaching staff with the Cubs, he may do well in Chicago again, but it would have to depend on what we have to give up for him as the Cubs seem very adiment on getting Pie up soon within the next year or so. I don't want to give up a whole lot for him if they don't plan on keeping him around for very long. The Cubs have made that mistake before, too many times.

[Al Spanglers ghost]

He is a perfect fit.Good defensive centerfielder,lefthanded bat,still young
enough to have a lot of good years ahead.[not batting lead off]
A fresh start with Uncle Lou,and hitting coach Gerald Perry,would help him.
If the Orioles would be willing to trade him,and they didn,t want to much in return,I hope Hendry looks into it.

[HOLYCOW!25]

I have doubts of the Cubs getting him if they get Cliff Floyd though, and from what I've heard, he's gonna sign with the Cubs.

[bringbacktuffy]

CP would efiantely answer some questions, but Im not sure he's worth one of our young arms

[DLee25]

CPat won't be in a cubs uniform this year. Why would we need him, we have 1400 outfielders

[Doba]

Say no to Corey.

[Webgem]

I would say no to Corey.

[Ivy Killa]

Considering we got practically nothing for him....maybe the Orioles would work out a deal similar to that. Last year they needed a spare part and we hooked them up...it's time to return the favor.

[bringbacktuffy]

Hmm, thats true. What's the O's starting rotation looking like? They might be pretty tough this year. The AL east wil be tough all around this year, except Tampa bay of course.

[Al Spanglers ghost]

CPat won't be in a cubs uniform this year. Why would we need him, we have 1400 outfielders

The last time I checked the depth chart on the Cubs offical website,there
was no centerfielder listed.
[not even Pie]
If the Cubs sign Floyd it would not have much to do with any interest in Patterson.Floyd would platoon in left with Murton,and back up Lee at first,but would not help the lack of a true centerfielder.

[ryno4ever]

I have doubts of the Cubs getting him if they get Cliff Floyd though, and from what I've heard, he's gonna sign with the Cubs.

Something doesn't seem right with the Cliff Floyd thing...back on Dec. 20th, they said the Cubs were very close to signing him, but since then, NOTHING! It makes me wonder if the Cubs have something else stirring and putting Floyd on hold as a backup plan. Floyd is up there in age and a major injury/health risk, which is the last thing the Cubs need this season.

[Ivy Killa]

No matter what happens with Floyd, that has no relevance on the CF spot...Looks like at the very least this Huff signing is gonna push Patterson to the bench.

But Huff's addition could push Payton to the fourth outfielder role at times. Or if the club is facing a lefty, Payton could move to center field and the current starter there, Corey Patterson , would go to the bench. Huff's career average against lefties (.276) is only 12 points lower than it is against righties, meaning he's unlikely to be used in a platoon situation.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.orioles31dec31,0,6305497.story?coll=bal-sports-baseball

[Ivy Killa]

Maybe the change of scenery has helped. as long as he's hitting again, why not get him back?

With a new coaching staff with the Cubs, he may do well in Chicago again.

He is a perfect fit.Good defensive centerfielder,lefthanded bat,still young
enough to have a lot of good years ahead.[not batting lead off]
A fresh start with Uncle Lou,and hitting coach Gerald Perry,would help him.

The last time I checked the depth chart on the Cubs offical website,there
was no centerfielder listed.
[not even Pie]

These are all excellant points, maybe he'll get second chance to prove everyone wrong like he did to Baylor that year he got injured.

[ChinMusic22]

I like Patterson, but I can't see him coming back. There's already an overload on outfielders, unless Jones gets dealt ASAP (which doesn't seem likely), it makes no sense.

I think the reason there's been no real Floyd news is because he was waiting to see what Baltimore was going to do. If BMore didn't sign Huff and wanted him instead, it would make more sense for him to signt there because he'd get more playing time. I think he'll be signed next week.

[Ivy Killa]

I like Patterson, but I can't see him coming back. There's already an overload on outfielders, unless Jones gets dealt ASAP (which doesn't seem likely), it makes no sense.


With or without Jones...we still need a centerfielder.

[ChinMusic22]

With or without Jones...we still need a centerfielder.

True but with Soriano, Jones, Murton, & mostlikely Floyd, Jones looks to be the CF, unless Pie steps up. I like Jones as a player, just not in CF, but he's a better option the Soriano.

[HOLYCOW!25]

No matter what happens with Floyd, that has no relevance on the CF spot

No, but it has relevence to the amount of outfielders we'd have, and we don't need 5.

[Ivy Killa]

^Good point, Trade Jones for Patterson then.........everybody wins, Jones gets out of Chicago and Patterson doesnt have to go to the bench. We then have a true center fielder that has speed, a solid arm, power, great defense. Four out of 5 tools.

[Al Spanglers ghost]

^Good point, Trade Jones for Patterson then.........everybody wins, Jones gets out of Chicago and Patterson doesnt have to go to the bench. We then have a true center fielder that has speed, a solid arm, power, great defense. Four out of 5 tools.


That works for me!
A win,win situation.

[HOLYCOW!25]

But it's not like Corey Patterson had a good year last year. I would still take Jaque Jones over him. We know that he doesn't have the best defense, but it's not like he's terrible. I remember seeing quite a few spectacular catches by him last season, and he's got a very good bat. He may not be a true center fielder, but idk, I always liked him here last season. Sure, he had his slump, but come on guys, everyone on the Cubs had a slump last year. Even Big Z and ARam. I think with all the hitting he's gonna have around him, he's gonna feel comfortable and definetly do well. And he did have a lot of strikeouts, but so did Soriano, and you know that patience at the plate is gonna be one of the biggest things that the Cubs staff is gonna get the players to work on in Spring Training.

[Al Spanglers ghost]

But it's not like Corey Patterson had a good year last year. I would still take Jaque Jones over him. We know that he doesn't have the best defense, but it's not like he's terrible. I remember seeing quite a few spectacular catches by him last season, and he's got a very good bat. He may not be a true center fielder, but idk, I always liked him here last season. Sure, he had his slump, but come on guys, everyone on the Cubs had a slump last year. Even Big Z and ARam. I think with all the hitting he's gonna have around him, he's gonna feel comfortable and definetly do well. And he did have a lot of strikeouts, but so did Soriano, and you know that patience at the plate is gonna be one of the biggest things that the Cubs staff is gonna get the players to work on in Spring Training.


I agree with much that you say,but we have to remember that Jones has expressed his displeasure with his being a Cub.I still think Hendry will try to move him based on that.
[I don,t know how Patterson would feel about being a Cub again.He got ran
outta town just 1 season ago.]

[HOLYCOW!25]

It was only reported that Jones said that. He's been asked and he's denied ever saying that, and I'm not saying that it definetly means he never did, but I dought he would ask about it, but then deny it when interveiwed.

[ChinMusic22]

^Good point, Trade Jones for Patterson then.........everybody wins, Jones gets out of Chicago and Patterson doesnt have to go to the bench. We then have a true center fielder that has speed, a solid arm, power, great defense. Four out of 5 tools.

How would that make any sense for Baltimore? Patterson would be expendible do to too many OF's. They have Huff, Millar, Gibbons, Payton, Knott, Markakis, & Patterson (granted Huff, Gibbon, Millar, & Knott can also play 1B). Adding Jones would put BMore in the same situation.

I would love to see Patterson back (besides his 4 tools, he's one of the best bunters in baseball), but the best way might be some type of deal with Jones and a 3rd team.

[Ivy Killa]

But it's not like Corey Patterson had a good year last year

your right, there was nothing special about his season last year, he raised his avg to .276 and his stolen base total went up to 45, he did strike out 94 times in 135 games but hey "baby steps" as bill murray would say.

How would that make any sense for Baltimore? Patterson would be expendible do to too many OF's. They have Huff, Millar, Gibbons, Payton, Knott, Markakis, & Patterson (granted Huff, Gibbon, Millar, & Knott can also play 1B). Adding Jones would put BMore in the same situation.

I would love to see Patterson back (besides his 4 tools, he's one of the best bunters in baseball), but the best way might be some type of deal with Jones and a 3rd team.

Your absolutely right, they have too many outfielders and while i'm not too familiar with Knott & Markakis, Jones would be an improvement over Millar and Gibbons. The Orioles started out the offseason looking for a big bopper and they had to settle on Huff. I recall Corey's bunting being a work in progress (at least while he was a Cub). If they need to get a 3rd team in the mix then so be it.....remember this is just my wishful thinking and while Corey does have weaknesses, his strengths would be perfect for the CF spot. I'd also bet he'd be willing to come back, now that Baker and all his coaches are gone. He would get a fresh start and playing next to and learning from Soriano would be a benefit as well....then all we would need is for those 2 to talk to Rammy and Lee about how to cut their strikeouts down.

[Al Spanglers ghost]

It was only reported that Jones said that. He's been asked and he's denied ever saying that, and I'm not saying that it definetly means he never did, but I dought he would ask about it, but then deny it when interveiwed.

I saw an interview with JJ on ESPN during the winter meetings in early December.When asked if he had demanded a trade,he would not give a direct answer.Anyone who saw this interview would have no doubt as to his desire to be elsewhere.Paul Sullivan of the Tribune wrote an article about that interview titled:"Jaque Jones,exit stage right".The article ran around Dec.5th,I think.

[ChinMusic22]

[/QUOTE]Your absolutely right, they have too many outfielders and while i'm not too familiar with Knott & Markakis, Jones would be an improvement over Millar and Gibbons. The Orioles started out the offseason looking for a big bopper and they had to settle on Huff. I recall Corey's bunting being a work in progress (at least while he was a Cub). If they need to get a 3rd team in the mix then so be it.....remember this is just my wishful thinking and while Corey does have weaknesses, his strengths would be perfect for the CF spot. I'd also bet he'd be willing to come back, now that Baker and all his coaches are gone. He would get a fresh start and playing next to and learning from Soriano would be a benefit as well....then all we would need is for those 2 to talk to Rammy and Lee about how to cut their strikeouts down.[/QUOTE]

Jones would definatley be an improvement over Millar & Gibbons. I don't know much about the Knott guy, but he lead the PCL in HR's and RBI's last year but SD released him. From watching Orioles games last year, Patterson did a good job of bunting for a single, and getting an inning started (even though I believe they batted him 7th in the lineup).

A three team trade with a team like Atanta would work, who are looking to dump Adam Laroache, and could use an outfielder, as Bmore really need a true first baseman, not the pile of crap they're going to have platooning.

Patterson & Sori at 1 & 2 in the lineup would be pretty sweet, but a choosing your pitchs conversation would definately be in order. Both of them chase junk...

[Ivy Killa]

three team trade with a team like Atanta would work, who are looking to dump Adam Laroache, and could use an outfielder, as Bmore really need a true first baseman, not the pile of crap they're going to have platooning.

Patterson & Sori at 1 & 2 in the lineup would be pretty sweet, but a choosing your pitchs conversation would definately be in order. Both of them chase junk...

Well you have the groundwork laid out and while i still dont understand why the Braves would want to get rid of Laroche. They have been shopping him. Hopefully Jim Hendry will see this and get the ball rolling. I would like to see Patterson bat further down though. Utilize his speed further down in the order since he does chase the high heat.

1)Soriano
2)Derosa
3)Lee
4)Ramirez
5)Barrett
6)Murton
7)Patterson
8)Izturis

[Sheffield_&_Waveland]

your right, there was nothing special about his season last year, he raised his avg to .276 and his stolen base total went up to 45, he did strike out 94 times in 135 games but hey "baby steps" as bill murray would say.



Your absolutely right, they have too many outfielders and while i'm not too familiar with Knott & Markakis, Jones would be an improvement over Millar and Gibbons. The Orioles started out the offseason looking for a big bopper and they had to settle on Huff. I recall Corey's bunting being a work in progress (at least while he was a Cub). If they need to get a 3rd team in the mix then so be it.....remember this is just my wishful thinking and while Corey does have weaknesses, his strengths would be perfect for the CF spot. I'd also bet he'd be willing to come back, now that Baker and all his coaches are gone. He would get a fresh start and playing next to and learning from Soriano would be a benefit as well....then all we would need is for those 2 to talk to Rammy and Lee about how to cut their strikeouts down.

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[HOLYCOW!25]

I think he meant they should talk to ARam and Lee because they don't have high strike outs.

[Sheffield_&_Waveland]

I think he meant they should talk to ARam and Lee because they don't have high strike outs.

Thanks for pointing that out I misunderstood it when i read it. Maybe I just have Holycow New Years syndrome? HAHA

[Ivy Killa]

I think he meant they should talk to ARam and Lee because they don't have high strike outs.

yea thats what i meant......while we're on the subject of centerfielders, dayn perry just gave a rundown of 2007 free agent CF's, i wasnt aware Patterson would be a FA...heres what he said...

Center Fielders
Here's the loaded position for 2007. Andruw Jones, Torii Hunter, Ichiro Suzuki, Mike Cameron, Aaron Rowand and Corey Patterson form a deep and imposing class of center-field mercenaries. Jones has lost a step in the field, but he's still a high-quality defender. Oh, and the future Hall of Famer has 92 homers over the last two seasons. Hunter provides exceptional defense and good power numbers, Ichiro, while overrated, is a skilled defender, ruthlessly efficient base runner and OBP threat, Cameron's a reliable power source who takes walks and mans an excellent center, Rowand is one of the best outfield gloves in the game today, and Patterson boasts excellent glove work and upside (he's only 27). Teams in need of a quality center fielder will have plenty of options in the winter of '07.

[Sheffield_&_Waveland]

yea thats what i meant......while we're on the subject of centerfielders, dayn perry just gave a rundown of 2007 free agent CF's, i wasnt aware Patterson would be a FA...heres what he said...

Center Fielders
Here's the loaded position for 2007. Andruw Jones, Torii Hunter, Ichiro Suzuki, Mike Cameron, Aaron Rowand and Corey Patterson form a deep and imposing class of center-field mercenaries. Jones has lost a step in the field, but he's still a high-quality defender. Oh, and the future Hall of Famer has 92 homers over the last two seasons. Hunter provides exceptional defense and good power numbers, Ichiro, while overrated, is a skilled defender, ruthlessly efficient base runner and OBP threat, Cameron's a reliable power source who takes walks and mans an excellent center, Rowand is one of the best outfield gloves in the game today, and Patterson boasts excellent glove work and upside (he's only 27). Teams in need of a quality center fielder will have plenty of options in the winter of '07.

I never realized there was that many free agent center fielders this year.

[Ivy Killa]

I never realized there was that many free agent center fielders this year.

and as much as i would like Corey back....i'd be more than happy if we signed Andrew Jones or Torii Hunter after this season.

[bringbacktuffy]

No way the twins give up huter, they are going to give him a Vernon Wells type deal for sure. Maybe not quite as big but definately in the ballpark. I would certainly be happy with A Jones patrolling center in cubbie blue. Good power, still has the skills, that will depend on how bad Atlanta wants to re sign him I s'pose

[Ivy Killa]

Atlanta cant afford to sign Jones...they've turned into cheapskates over the last few years...of course he could always give them a hometown discount.

[Webgem]

After signing Huff the O's are also looking to sign Shannon Stewart.....Their outfield is going to be well overloaded.

[ChinMusic22]

and as much as i would like Corey back....i'd be more than happy if we signed Andrew Jones or Torii Hunter after this season.

AJones isn't going to re-sign with Atlanta. Boras already said no hometown discount. He'll be ripe for the picking once the trade deadline approaches...

I'd focus on the next FA signig being Z to a 3 year extention. That needs to get done.

[Ivy Killa]

I'd focus on the next FA signig being Z to a 3 year extention. That needs to get done.

Agreed but hopefully it will be a longer contract than 3 years.

[HOLYCOW!25]

Thanks for pointing that out I misunderstood it when i read it. Maybe I just have Holycow New Years syndrome? HAHA

Lol, alright maybe I was a little crazy, partied a bit too hard, but hey who doesn't?

[Shwerve]

I may have been off the board for a few days, but I did not expect to come back to the 'bring back patterson parade.'
We should really consider bringing back GlenAllen Hill instead.

[Sheffield_&_Waveland]

Lol, alright maybe I was a little crazy, partied a bit too hard, but hey who doesn't?

HaHa...as long as you had a good time thats all that matters

[HOLYCOW!25]

HaHa...as long as you had a good time thats all that matters

And that I did.

[Brutus T Manstrength]

Lol, alright maybe I was a little crazy, partied a bit too hard, but hey who doesn't?

I didn't.. I had to be at work at 4.. but I spread rumors of me being caught in bed with this sexy twin at work..

[scuba]

I may have been off the board for a few days, but I did not expect to come back to the 'bring back patterson parade.'
We should really consider bringing back GlenAllen Hill instead.

Bringing Hill back would be awesome! I would love seeing him mash it out of Wrigley again and hit some more buildings. The guy was crazy strong.

[ChinMusic22]

I may have been off the board for a few days, but I did not expect to come back to the 'bring back patterson parade.'
We should really consider bringing back GlenAllen Hill instead.

Only if Shawn Estes can come back too...

[Brutus T Manstrength]

They can be CuddleMates.. Or room mates, as everyone else probably calls them.. I'll bet they'd cuddle though

[Ivy Killa]

If Estes is invited then we gotta bring back Hundley as well.

[Webgem]

I may have been off the board for a few days, but I did not expect to come back to the 'bring back patterson parade.'
We should really consider bringing back GlenAllen Hill instead.

LMAO....I still remember that homer he hit on waveland or was it the next street over...lol:D

[KingKong10]

The last time I checked the depth chart on the Cubs offical website,there
was no centerfielder listed.
[not even Pie]
If the Cubs sign Floyd it would not have much to do with any interest in Patterson.Floyd would platoon in left with Murton,and back up Lee at first,but would not help the lack of a true centerfielder.

Pie is on there now as well as Buck Coates and listed as CF. Daryle Ward now too but as LF. I'm more in favor of Ward or keeping Jones in LF than signing Cliff Floyd. Floyd is an aging overpaid vet on the downstroke. 5 years ago maybe he'd have been OK, but not now.

and im not saying he's going to be a starting OF for the Cubs - but the switch hitting Angel Pagan showed me a few things last year that i think merit another shot as our 4th or 5th OF. i really liked the kids hustle and he's pretty raw. i'd rather give him the starting CF job than bring patterson back if Pie tanks.

still - i wish the Cubs had kept Pierre and batted him in the 8th spot and put Soriano in RF and had him lead off. We don't need power from a CF when you have 4 guys now in the lineup capable of hitting 30+ HR (Lee, Aramis, Fonzie and Jones).

Pierre is one of the few FA's the Cubs have signed that made the adjustment to day ball. it took him a few months like it took D Lee a year - but he did it.

i think 10 mil in todays market for Pierre was about right. he's a gamer and i'm dissapointed we didn't keep him, esp if we're trying to win NOW.

[Al Spanglers ghost]

Pie is on there now as well as Buck Coates and listed as CF. Daryle Ward now too but as LF. I'm more in favor of Ward or keeping Jones in LF than signing Cliff Floyd. Floyd is an aging overpaid vet on the downstroke. 5 years ago maybe he'd have been OK, but not now.

and im not saying he's going to be a starting OF for the Cubs - but the switch hitting Angel Pagan showed me a few things last year that i think merit another shot as our 4th or 5th OF. i really liked the kids hustle and he's pretty raw. i'd rather give him the starting CF job than bring patterson back if Pie tanks.

still - i wish the Cubs had kept Pierre and batted him in the 8th spot and put Soriano in RF and had him lead off. We don't need power from a CF when you have 4 guys now in the lineup capable of hitting 30+ HR (Lee, Aramis, Fonzie and Jones).

Pierre is one of the few FA's the Cubs have signed that made the adjustment to day ball. it took him a few months like it took D Lee a year - but he did it.

i think 10 mil in todays market for Pierre was about right. he's a gamer and i'm dissapointed we didn't keep him, esp if we're trying to win NOW.

I checked the Cub official site on MLB.COM under Roster,and than depth chart,and they still have no centerfielders listed.
[checked it out seconds before this post]
As bad as we need a centerfielder I don,t think Pierre was worth 10 mil per.
Not with 32 walks and a .330 OBP,poor numbers for a lead off hitter with no power[only 32 doubles],and couldn't throw.