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TheBenjamin
May 9th 2009, 3:29 pm
I don’t know how much you paid attention to all the preseason talk about the Chicago Cubs and their chances to go for the three-peat and win their third straight division title, but everyone was in agreement. Every single baseball analyst and beat writer all said generally the same thing about the Cubs chances to win the division again. They all said that barring the unthinkable happening, the Cubs should be the runaway favorites to once again win the National League Central division. Basically what they meant, was unless everything that can go wrong does go wrong, the Cubs should be the favorite to once again win the division and a top contender for the league as well. Well, since the season has gotten underway, everything that could go wrong, has gone wrong. Team Ace Carlos Zambrano strained his hamstring and has been placed on the disabled list. Derrek Lee has been battling neck spasms and has missed time as well. Milton Bradley suffered a groin injury which limited him to only pinch hitting duties for most of the early season. Geovany Soto suffered a shoulder injury, and has taken several steps back in his power and catching base stealers. This is all without mentioning what has happened to Aramis Ramirez and his injuries. He has suffered through back spasms and had a calf injury. Of these injuries, Zambrano was the only player to go on the disabled list, which will keep him sidelined for at least three weeks. That is, until last nights game.

Since his injury in the third inning of last nights loss to the Milwaukee Brewers, I have been trying to figure out exactly how to say what needs to be said. I will cut to the chase, and save everyone a lot of time, the Cubs are in a lot of trouble. With Ramirez leaving the game, with a separated shoulder, the Cubs are lacking the middle of the order power threat that they need to remain competitive. Sure, they still have Lee and Bradley, but the effect they will have remains to be seen.

While both Lee and Bradley are showing signs of coming out of their season long slumps, what will we get out of them? Lee has seemingly lost the power stroke that he once had. By him losing his power stroke, I am not talking about his monstrous 2005 season, which I have stated was nothing more then a career year. That being the case, no one can tell for sure if Lee will ever return to the player he once was before his wrist injury. When you look at Bradley, he appears to be slowly breaking out of his opening series funk and is getting his hits we all knew would come. The problem with Bradley, is he dug himself into such a deep hole, he will have to be very productive to get back to respectability. While he does have the ability to give us the much needed power, his slow start fills our head with doubts. If there ever was a time for Bradley to be the player he was supposed to be, now is that time. We need him now more then ever.

Kosuke Fukudome was recently moved down into the three hole because of his great production thus far in the year, but the move might have been counter productive. Since he has been moved into the three hole, his offense has taken a dive. We can only hope that this is only a temporary slump, and he will continue to play the way he did in April. We can not afford to have Fukudome slip into the same funk that he was in for most of last year, with Ramirez out for close to two months, we need all of the production we can get, which is why Ryan Theriot’s recent offensive explosion is now a much needed asset.

Ramirez only went down yesterday, and the shockwaves of how this will effect the Cubs lineup have already been heard. Fans are screaming for Alfonso Soriano to once again move out of leadoff and back into a middle of the order batter. While I can not say I disagree with this move, I can not say that I agree with the idea either. The experiment was done earlier in the year and for the two games he played there, were complete failures. I agree that more time was needed to see if his presence in the middle of the order would be successful or not. While we could really use his power bat in the heart of the order now more then ever, I don’t know if the move would be what is best for the Cubs in the long run. Many people will say that the Cubs need to look out for their best interest, and not Soriano’s. However, would you not agree that what is best for Soriano is best for the Cubs? As much as his bat is needed in the heart of the order, I think that we need to keep him in leadoff where he can be most productive. That being said, I think the move should be made. Am I confusing you on where I stand on this issue? Don’t feel bad, I am just as confused.

A more pressing need on where Soriano should bat in the lineup with Ramirez’s injury, is how we are going to replace him. Not just his bat, but his glove work too at the hot corner. As things stand, newly acquired Ryan Freel will platoon with Mike Fontenot and Aaron Miles playing third, but none of them can match the defense that Ramirez gave us, and sure as hell wont give us the offense. Sadly, at the moment, there may not be much the Cubs will be able to do. They will likely try to fill the void with an in house option, one of the three men I just mentioned will be their first three attempts. Josh Vitters will not be called up, and I agree with that move as he is still a few years away from being a Major League player. If the three men fail to do a respectable job, the Cubs can try to make a trade for another team’s third baseman, or see if they can find a reliable player in the minors.

One player who comes to mind is former Anaheim Angels prospect, and now former Florida Marlins player Dallas McPherson. The Marlins released McPherson on March 31 of this year, and was signed to a minor league deal by the San Francisco Giants on April 11.. In his four year career he has hit for a .245 batting average and 18 homeruns. Though that is only in a total of 128 games and 371 at bats. Not stellar numbers in the least, but last season in Triple A he hit .275 with 42 homeruns. If the Giants were open to listening to offers for him, he could be had for cheap.

Lets face facts, this is a devastating blow to every aspect of the Cubs team. With Ramirez out, we lost not only our biggest power threat, but we also lost a stellar defensive player at what many people say is the hardest position in baseball to play. He is the most irreplaceable player in our lineup, and just our luck, we lost him. Replacing him will not be an easy task, as we will never find the combination of power and defense that he gave us. You can cry for Mark DeRosa all you want, but he would not give us everything Ramirez did. Sure, he could play solid defense, but his offense would fall far short. Especially if he hit the way he has been this season for the Cleveland Indians.

This is going to be a rough two months Cub fans.

DLee25
May 9th 2009, 3:38 pm
It's not like Aramis is the Albert Pujols of the Cubs (understand?). We have more than one guy that can step up, it's just a matter if they do it or not.

TheBenjamin
May 9th 2009, 3:46 pm
I know what you are saying, but he is our best player. He is our best hitter, and our biggest run producer. He is the last offensive player we can afford to lose.

DLee25
May 9th 2009, 3:57 pm
Well everyone better suck it up, there is no reason to complain. Can't do anything about injuries like that.

SKIPPER 11
May 9th 2009, 5:38 pm
Sorry to say it but I have disagreed with the experts since day one. The reason they thought we would win the divison was because there is no more Sabathia and Sheets in Milwaukee. Its not because we got any better. There was way too many question marks for this team IMO to start the season. I mean why do you win 97 games and then change 5/7 of the bullpen, one of those being a clubhouse guy in Kerry Wood. Another clubhouse guy in Dero being let go- please dont throw stats around here because there is still plenty of ball to play. Honestly there is only a few players on this team that isnt surrounded by a question mark and what I mean by that is it is unknown how they were going to perform. Those being Rammy, Z, Lily, Marmol, Soriano. Everyone else you could make a case for ???. As competitive as this division is I still think it is very winable but again we have won the division the last 2 years. Its time to forget that and win the whole thing. IMO the proper moves were not made in the off season to do this. The Freel signing is finally a step in the right direction.

Bockstock
May 9th 2009, 5:53 pm
Wait... Freel is a step in the right direction but the rest of the team is mostly question marks??

Freel has been on the decline for two years and is no longer the player he once was.

As far as 'clubhouse guys', DeRosa and Wood's 'leadership' has yet to translate into any better success for the Cleveland Indians. You can't blame their absence for the cubs struggling on one hand without acknowledging that lack of success the Indians have had on the other.

The only 'clubhouse guy' that matters is Piniella, and has others has mentioned he may not have pushed for the right offseason moves or done well so far this season, but he deserves a chance to be given the benefit of the doubt until he fails to do so.

If Ramirez is out for any amount of time, Hendry will have to make a move. this club will not win with hoffpaiur/freel/scales/miles getting alot of abs the next couple of months.

Garrett Atkins and Hank Blalock are two guys that come to mind. The rockies are itching to trade Atkins with Stewart on the bench. Combined with Atkins poor start he could be a decent plug-in and plays both 1b and 3b.

SKIPPER 11
May 9th 2009, 6:42 pm
Freel is a step in the right direction- he can play anywhere and has speed.

As far as Dero and Wood go, they were integral parts of our clubhouse for the last few years. They are on a new team now.


Lets looks at the ???? IMO


C- Soto- R.O.Y last year, really had only 1 good year in the minors/ We all should remember how Jerome Walton turned out after his R.O.Y in 1989. Im not saying Sot wont have a good season but to duplicate what he did last yr would be a stretch

Backup C- Hill- decent: not as good as Blanco defensively and as slow as Hank was- Hill showed last night he is even slower


1b- Lee- has been on the decline for a few years now

2b- Font - good platoon player, never been a regular starter in the Major Leagues.

SS- Theriot- really no ?? here with exception to his range and arm

3B- Aram- no ?

RF Bradley- Injuries/ Cancer in the clubhouse

CF- Fukudome- should have been benched last year

LF- Soriano- no ?

Bench- Miles- decent player, Hoff- terrible OF, Reed Johnson- there was a reason he was available last year


Pitching Staff

Z- no ?

Demps- did you really think he was going go 17-6 again- remember his nickname was DUMPSTER. I think he is a Good P, but 17-6 no way

Lily- no ? he will win 13-15

Harden- injury issues, goes 5-6 innings a game

Marshall- never started 20 games in a season much less 32

Bullpen

Guzman and Patton- shouldnt have to make a case for these

Cotts- see above- he is no longer pitching on the White Sox in the World Series

Gregg- mid to high era with 50 plus saves for his career

Marmol- no ?

Heilman- came off poor yr last year





Again if I didnt put a ? that means you kind of know what you are getting. What I meant by adding Freel, regardless of his last 2 years, he will definately be more serviceable than Gathright.

SKIPPER 11
May 9th 2009, 6:44 pm
The only 'clubhouse guy' that matters is Piniella, and has others has mentioned he may not have pushed for the right offseason moves or done well so far this season, but he deserves a chance to be given the benefit of the doubt until he fails to do so.


I totally disagree with this as far as Lou being the only guy that matters. If this was the case Lee would have been gone a while ago.

Bims
May 9th 2009, 6:47 pm
Garrett Atkins and Hank Blalock are two guys that come to mind. The rockies are itching to trade Atkins with Stewart on the bench. Combined with Atkins poor start he could be a decent plug-in and plays both 1b and 3b. Atkins is a good call, and a very real possibility. Like you said, the Rockies have been looking to get rid of Atkins and insert Ian Stewart into 3B. Atkins can also play first, and some outfield.

Bockstock
May 9th 2009, 11:36 pm
The only 'clubhouse guy' that matters is Piniella, and has others has mentioned he may not have pushed for the right offseason moves or done well so far this season, but he deserves a chance to be given the benefit of the doubt until he fails to do so.


I totally disagree with this as far as Lou being the only guy that matters. If this was the case Lee would have been gone a while ago.

The indians are doing worse than the Cubs. How have adding two 'clubhouse guys' helped their chances?? hence why I question that label. They (the labels) are worthless.

And Lee is pretty much untradeable. That's not even a question. He's got a NTC and nobody in the league would want an injury prone light hitting 1b with $20 million left on his contract. It is that hard to understand??

SKIPPER 11
May 10th 2009, 2:51 am
The indians are doing worse than the Cubs. How have adding two 'clubhouse guys' helped their chances?? hence why I question that label. They (the labels) are worthless.

And Lee is pretty much untradeable. That's not even a question. He's got a NTC and nobody in the league would want an injury prone light hitting 1b with $20 million left on his contract. It is that hard to understand??



Both Wood and Dero are gone- Im just trying to say it was dumb to get rid of them for OUR team. I dont care what they are doing for Cleveland. Cleveland is not the Cubs. Thats over and done with though. As far as Lee being traded, I dont want him gone. He is the only form of a leader this team has. Hoff showed tonight he is not ready to be the everyday guy at first when Stetter wiffed him with the bases juiced on 3 pitches- when it was still a game. My point is this team has holes everywhere. Regardless of that though, this division isnt the AL East, so it is still attainable. The World Series though- forget it unless we make some moves.

SKIPPER 11
May 10th 2009, 5:29 am
I just dont see the need to go out and get another quality 3b such as Atkins, unless Rammy is out for the year. Freel and Miles can do the job. The Cardinals lost Glaus , whose numbers are very comparable to Arams, and they havent missed a beat. There are other moves to be made to make this team better that wasnt done in the offseason. If you have a chance to get a Cy Young award winner in the prime of his career you do it, regardless of the cost. Its not like our Minor Leagues have really helped us out any. We can talk Vitters all we want to. Imagine if we would have traded CPat and Pie at their highest value. Vitters may go on to be the next Chipper Jones, who knows. I just know Aram will be at our hot corner for the next 5-6 years.

LeeEila's/rant
May 10th 2009, 7:08 am
My GOD !!! Stop it with the clubhouse leader talk !! There is one leader on every team . Who is the leader on the White Sox ? Ozzie ! Who is the leader on the Cards ? LaBoozer ! Lou has to get a handle on this team , it is not the push button team he was wanting. He is actually going to have to work and lead this team > He needs to stop staggering his hitters in the line up and put away his player predjudice and play who he needs to play. This turns out not to be a team that can be managed in a semi-retirment method. If he is not up for it step asside.
As for bitching about Dempster , you have to be kidding me !!! That kid gutted it up and kept us in as best as anyone could. I don't care ,we could have a five man roster of Cy Young pitchers aND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WIN WITH 2 FREAKING RUNS !!!!! ( I know we scored more but we would have never seen the dead horse they marched out there if it wasn't a 9-2 game )

A lamb needs to be put to slaughter and someone will have to take the fall here look for either bullpen coach or hitting coach to go. Who the hell knows , Lou may just blame it on fan expectations and injuries , shrug it off and have a cocktail.

I don't care what the " experts " say , this is the toughest division in the NL and whoever wins it will need to play hard.

SKIPPER 11
May 10th 2009, 10:21 am
I wasnt griping about Dempster, I just said that if you expected another season like last year you were more than likely dreaming. Dempster is a good 3 or 4 starter.

Bims
May 10th 2009, 3:32 pm
I just said that if you expected another season like last year you were more than likely dreaming. Dempster is a good 3 or 4 starter.
You're right Skip. Re-signing Dempster is a move the Cubs will be regreting over the next few years.

Bockstock
May 10th 2009, 7:14 pm
BTW the Cubs are 1 game behind last years pace despite half a dozen major injuries, half the team not playing up their level, two 'clubshouse leaders' missing, and a handful of crappy pen performances.

This just goes to show that the starting pitching is the heart of this team.

I see alot of people ragging on Dempster. He's had one bad game, but has thrown two quality starts on the road, and has been the victim of some crappy defense and Lou leaving him in too long last night.

SKIPPER 11
May 10th 2009, 7:23 pm
Im not ragging on Dempster, I just dont think he is a 17-6 type of a P with a 3 ERA. Thats just my opinion, maybe he has figured something out and become better the last few years. I do however think he is better than what he has shown this year.

Bims
May 10th 2009, 7:53 pm
BTW the Cubs are 1 game behind last years pace despite half a dozen major injuries, half the team not playing up their level, two 'clubshouse leaders' missing, and a handful of crappy pen performances.

This just goes to show that the starting pitching is the heart of this team.

I see alot of people ragging on Dempster. He's had one bad game, but has thrown two quality starts on the road, and has been the victim of some crappy defense and Lou leaving him in too long last night. I'm not as much displeased about the Cubs W/L record, as I am the way the team looks. The bullpen is inconsistent, and has had more than a handful of crappy performances. The everyday lineup consists of a player that may not be an everyday player(Fontenot), a player on the decline(DLee), a possible one-year wonder(Soto), and 2 giant question marks(Fukudome and Bradley). All this is on the heels of a bad off-season of moves by our GM. ... Ryan Dempster has given up atleast 4 ER in 4 of his 7 starts this season.

LeeEila's/rant
May 11th 2009, 5:31 am
I have no complaints about our starting pitching . Stack our five against any other five in the league , and we will come out on top.
There is one thing I was wrong about , Harden. He is making me quite happy , he takes the ball each outing , goes deep and keeps his team in the game. That is all you can ask for from your pitchers. I am happy to admit I was dead wrong about him.