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Old Apr 23rd 2010, 4:09 pm
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" .... I could go back and forth with you Lee/Hey/Skull .... "

Listen Jeff, you piece of ****. Leave me out of your juvenile nonsense.
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ok sonny i'll play. tell me how he won't?
Yeah, that's not how it usually works... You make a statement... it's your responsibility to back it up with logic/evidence...

But for educational purposes...I'll bite

Zambrano makes a ton of money. He's somewhere between the 17.5M-18.5M range, in salary. That's amplified since he's currently in a long-term deal. No team would take on that kind of money. Which means the Cubs would have to eat alot, but still not enough. The Cubs would get a solid prospect, at best, for Zambrano. It's about money. The more a team has to take on, the lesser the prospect. Besides, to make a trade that includes a contract of Zambrano's magnitude, takes a ton of work. The Cubs could take on a lesser player with a big contract, in exchange for Zambrano. But that's very rarely a productive move.

Ted Lilly would net a much better return than Zambrano. Why? Because he's going to be a free-agent at the end of the season, he's a lefty, and he's a veteran who has been in the playoffs...

Wells and Gorz would net more than Zambrano. Why? Because they are both cheap, young, have productive pasts, and are both under team control for a few more years...

Dempster, who's contract is less expensive than Zambrano, would net more because he's had good numbers, he's been healthy, and again, his contract is more affordable. But Dempster wouldn't net much more than Zambrano.

In a year, things could change... Zambrano can be an ace again, thus it would be easier to move him. But for now, it would take alot, and the return wouldn't be great in any Zambrano deal.

You totally didn't grasp any of that, did you?
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Your explanation of contracts and trade value are a little off kilter . This not saying you are completely wrong and an idiot , just missing a couple of points.

First off in a trade of Zambrano , when we put feelers out there was quite a few teams that would take the money but , just that , no prospects in return. The value of replacement for Zambrano would make it a wash without any young talent coming back.

As for Lilly his trade value is really not that much , seeing there is one year on his contract. They often refer to a guy like that as a rent-a-player and if you are going to get anything more than a salary dump you would have to wait until the trade deadline and move him to a team in the push.


Actually , Wells is your best value over replacment pitcher the Cubs have .


As for Z being an ace , basically the organization doesn't agree with you , you don't put an ace in late relief , closer maybe.
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As for Lilly his trade value is really not that much , seeing there is one year on his contract. They often refer to a guy like that as a rent-a-player and if you are going to get anything more than a salary dump you would have to wait until the trade deadline and move him to a team in the push.

It all depends how Lilly performs. If Lilly starts off well, there's a good chance he'll likely be a Type A free agent, which will give him alot more value around the deadline.
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Yeah, that's not how it usually works... You make a statement... it's your responsibility to back it up with logic/evidence...

But for educational purposes...I'll bite

Zambrano makes a ton of money. He's somewhere between the 17.5M-18.5M range, in salary. That's amplified since he's currently in a long-term deal. No team would take on that kind of money. Which means the Cubs would have to eat alot, but still not enough. The Cubs would get a solid prospect, at best, for Zambrano. It's about money. The more a team has to take on, the lesser the prospect. Besides, to make a trade that includes a contract of Zambrano's magnitude, takes a ton of work. The Cubs could take on a lesser player with a big contract, in exchange for Zambrano. But that's very rarely a productive move.

Ted Lilly would net a much better return than Zambrano. Why? Because he's going to be a free-agent at the end of the season, he's a lefty, and he's a veteran who has been in the playoffs...

Wells and Gorz would net more than Zambrano. Why? Because they are both cheap, young, have productive pasts, and are both under team control for a few more years...

Dempster, who's contract is less expensive than Zambrano, would net more because he's had good numbers, he's been healthy, and again, his contract is more affordable. But Dempster wouldn't net much more than Zambrano.

In a year, things could change... Zambrano can be an ace again, thus it would be easier to move him. But for now, it would take alot, and the return wouldn't be great in any Zambrano deal.

You totally didn't grasp any of that, did you?
ok dumb cub fan let me break this down for you so your feeble mind can comprehend it.
if they trade him and free up his contract money (18 mil)they can go sign other players.
if they trade him for other players that works to. he has the highest value on the team right now
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I haven't seen Fogpog blogs so vile since Bims was banned. I realize that moving Zambrano to the pen has stirred up alot of controversy, Piniella has made a few decisions with Big Z, and benching Soriano on a regular basis to try to jump start the team now. This site has always been a place where you can express your opinion without getting blasted with name calling and disrespect.

I think Lou already knows this will be his last season in the Cubs dugout. He has already decided that 2010 is it, and he's not going to let how much a player is getting paid, or how many ego's he bruises get in the way of who gets the most playing time. With Lilly coming back, Zambrano was the least effective of all the starters, so it makes sense to let him pitch out of the pen and fill the gaping hole of not having a reliable setup guy. Lou is in the position of not giving a rats ass what Hendry thinks of all this.
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Lou can only work with what he has been given. He has a lot of (surprisingly) very good starters...and Hendry did not address the pen situation, assuming Guzman was going to be the answer.

We may never know the resonings that went into the move.... the motives behind it. And we aren't going to know if the season is good or bad until we see it happen. So, until then, it's the old saying " It is what it is"....
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As for Lilly his trade value is really not that much , seeing there is one year on his contract. They often refer to a guy like that as a rent-a-player and if you are going to get anything more than a salary dump you would have to wait until the trade deadline and move him to a team in the push.
Lilly's trade value this year could be affected by the fact he is coming off shoulder surgery.
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I could be nicer...but dumb people don't understand nice...So it's all for your own good!

I am a missionary...my mission is to enlighten baseball retarded, Cubs fans...And I've hit gold!.
Completely unnecessary! Knock it off and talk baseball politely or please leave our board.
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Question: Why did Lou throw Marmol for 1.1 innings tonight??

Perfect opportunity to put some of the crappy inexperienced relievers in there with a big lead.

The exact reason why I question moving Z to the pen; Lou's questionable bullpen management to begin with.
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