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Old Jan 4th 2012, 9:08 am
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Really ? You must be the only one that thinks it is a good idea to have a pitchers like him " under your control " for the next three years when your team won't be able to compete for the next three years.

Look at all of the production that was lost in the off season. Where are the Cubs going to get the 30 home runs and 150 RBI ? How many wins of the 71 did that account for and how many can we really expect next year ?
I figured that you'd avoid the topic... What does any of that have to do with the Garza trade? Your initial, continuous beef is with the Garza deal... Which was a great one for the Cubs!

Chris Archer took a step back in the Rays system, last season...

Hak Ju Lee was awful above A ball, last season...

Robinso Chirinos, Brandon Guyer and Sam Fuld are backups, who can't hit...

The Cubs didn't lose anything!

Meanwhile, Matt Garza had an outstanding season for the Cubs. He has HUGE value on the open market... The Cubs can either trade him for a kings ransom, or sign him long term.

As for the rest of the off-season... The new front office is doing the right thing. They are filling a weak minor legue system, with talent. They are also trading for young, cheap, major leauge players.

Get over it people... Things are going well!
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Old Jan 5th 2012, 5:53 am
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Meanwhile, Matt Garza had an outstanding season for the Cubs. He has HUGE value on the open market... The Cubs can either trade him for a kings ransom, or sign him long term.
He is not a HUGE value . Nobody is even willing to consider the trade the Cubs are wanting , three prospects in return. Their only hope is to wait until spring training and hope someone finds a problem and needs to fill a hole.

You really don't have any idea how screwed up this team is and how far away it is from being straight. Our best offencive player had 27 errors in the field last year !
Our pitching staff is Garza , Dempster , Wells , Cashner and PTBNL , where is your ace ?
Where will we get our runs ? We have no power in the corners , an offencive catcher that doesn't hit for as much power , one of the better third baseman is gone , nobody for first , and our shortstop is what I said.
Face it , we are looking at a complete rebuild here and are more than three years away from fielding any kind of a competitive team.
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He is not a HUGE value . Nobody is even willing to consider the trade the Cubs are wanting , three prospects in return. Their only hope is to wait until spring training and hope someone finds a problem and needs to fill a hole.

You really don't have any idea how screwed up this team is and how far away it is from being straight. Our best offencive player had 27 errors in the field last year !
Our pitching staff is Garza , Dempster , Wells , Cashner and PTBNL , where is your ace ?
Where will we get our runs ? We have no power in the corners , an offencive catcher that doesn't hit for as much power , one of the better third baseman is gone , nobody for first , and our shortstop is what I said.
Face it , we are looking at a complete rebuild here and are more than three years away from fielding any kind of a competitive team.
Lee, you have an awful time staying on topic. That, and when you're wrong, you just jump to another topic.

At this point it is VERY evident that the Cubs are rebuilding the organization, from top to bottom. They are adding depth to both the major league and minore league roster... Adding upside players... And getting ride of overpaid, clubhouse cancers.

And I love what the new brass is doing!

Second, you are very wrong about the rotation. With the Cubs new addition of Chris Volstad... A very solid move! The Cubs rotation is: Garza, Dempster, Wells, Wood, Volstad. A young, cheap rotation... With starting pitchers who are only going to get better!

Finally, you are way off on Garza. The Cubs are going to get an excellent haul for him... If they trade him. If they don't trade him... They have a very good starter in their rotation. It's win-win! None of the players the Cubs gave up in return for Garza have proven to be anything. The Cubs CLERALY won that trade!

The most encouraging thing of all... The Cubs new brass is focusing all the money they will have freed up... On next season's free agent class... Which is loaded with pitching talent!
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He is not a HUGE value . Nobody is even willing to consider the trade the Cubs are wanting , three prospects in return. Their only hope is to wait until spring training and hope someone finds a problem and needs to fill a hole.
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Garza was 8th in WAR in in the top 15 in Fielder-independent ERA. Thats pretty good. He's been better than Gio Gonzalez and better than Latos except for 2010.

The main difference between the three is Garza only has two years of club control.
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Cubs finally take a 260 lbs dump

Levine was right; the Cubs have sent Carlos Zambrano to the Marlins for 25 year old righty Chris Volstad. The Cubs will pay all but $2.5M of his contract and Volstad is expected to make 2.6 so the Cubs are really not saving any money just headaches which could mean more

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Garza was 8th in WAR in in the top 15 in Fielder-independent ERA. Thats pretty good. He's been better than Gio Gonzalez and better than Latos except for 2010.

The main difference between the three is Garza only has two years of club control.
The problem was there was no reason for the trade at the time. It would have been more benificial to trade prospects back and forth , than to trade for Garza , then try to trade back for prospects.

We bought high on Garza , when he had three years of control , now he has two so less now. When you trade prospects for a big leaguer it is like trading in your car , you pay retail and they give you wholesale for your prospects. If you trade prospects you are trading even.
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The Cubs' best off-season in years continues...

The Cubs trade Andrew Cashner for Anthony Rizzo.

The Cubs just got their 1B of the future. Excellent move!
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The Cubs' best off-season in years continues...

The Cubs trade Andrew Cashner for Anthony Rizzo.

The Cubs just got their 1B of the future. Excellent move!
I agee it is a good trade. I think Cashner has flipper problems and always will with his motion
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We bought high on Garza , when he had three years of control , now he has two so less now. When you trade prospects for a big leaguer it is like trading in your car , you pay retail and they give you wholesale for your prospects. If you trade prospects you are trading even.
HJ Lee is really the only piece that the Cubs will miss, and they just replaced him with the Torreyes guy from Cincy, and Guyer with the Torrelt dude.

Its a +/+ here, if the Cubs don't trade Garza, they can give him a very good Danks-like extension. They will still have money next year to sign one of Hamels, Greinke, Cain, and then sign a second-tier guy like McCarthy or Marcum.

Anyway, its great to see this front office making moves that are meant to help the club 2-3 years down the road. The Cashner trade is another great example.
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I've been tracking all the flak you guys have been throwing around for months now and I have to say it might not take 2 or 3 yrs to win. These guy's are following the same formula that Colorado and Arizona have used the last few yrs. Before them Florida and before them Minnesota!

It's about frickin time somebody WTFU AND FINALLY DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!
IT'S ONLY BEEN 104 YEARS!!!

THANK YOU RICKETTS FOR BEING HALF INTELLIGENT AND SEEING THE WINNING FORMULA

(WHICH IS NO SECRET BTW)
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