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" ... The Baseball Hall of Fame decides it would be less embarrassing for Andre Dawson to go into the Hall of Fame representing a team that no longer exists instead of the Cubs ... "

Very well put. Did they really say "less embarrassing" ?
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" ... The Baseball Hall of Fame decides it would be less embarrassing for Andre Dawson to go into the Hall of Fame representing a team that no longer exists instead of the Cubs ... "

Very well put. Did they really say "less embarrassing" ?
yea, i can't remember where I found that out.

I also read something yesterday that compared attendance figures between MTL and CHC. I believe the Cubs were only drawing 2+ million back in the 1980s, and the last couple of years he played in Montreal they actually outdrew the Cubs by quite a bit.
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yea, i can't remember where I found that out.

I also read something yesterday that compared attendance figures between MTL and CHC. I believe the Cubs were only drawing 2+ million back in the 1980s, and the last couple of years he played in Montreal they actually outdrew the Cubs by quite a bit.
This does not take into consideration of the WGN connection. In 1978 WGN started broadcasting via satellite and was picked up by the new idea of pay television from cable companies. In 1981 , when the Tribune Corporation purchased the Cubs they used the franchise as inexpensive daytime programming. This enabled the Cubs game to be broadcast nationally via the WGN superstation giving the Cubs the benifit of building a national fan base. So I would dare say that one season of Andre Dawson playing as a Cub was seen by more eyes than his ten years as a Expo.
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So I would dare say that one season of Andre Dawson playing as a Cub was seen by more eyes than his ten years as a Expo.
And it still shouldn't factor into hall of fame voting.
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And it still shouldn't factor into hall of fame voting.
Here is where our real difference is here , I am sorry if I am not right about your opinion ,you see it as an actual Hall of Fame and I see it as a marketing tool of MLB.

I have given up on it being an unbiased true representation of achieved greatness of the game and see it as a popularity club. Certain players do not get votes due to pissing off too many writers and others are given extra credit for being nice guys . You have heard a number of times people being voted against just because they don't want it to be unanimous or you also have the Joe Morgan problem . If you let these guys make these statements and still keep their vote then they are admitting that there are outside factors that come into play in voting and it is not true just to numbers.
Then lets all admit what it is and make the additions to the Hall of Fame according to what is best for expanding and improving baseball. It would solve so many problems with the future inductees and steroid usage.

As in Sammy and McGuire , numbers and real abilities maybe not , but for what they did for bringing people back to the game yes.
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Does anybody realize that they've already given his #8 to Xavier Nady?? So basicly the whole 'Dawson number retirement' scheme was just a Ricketts PR move.

At the same time, it's been noted Dawson had some problems with the Expos front office. So what if Dawson wanting to go in as a Cub is a way to slight his former employer??? I don't think the players trying to get in are squeaky clean either.

And yes, I agree, some idiotic self-righteous sports writers are going to not vote for McGuire or Sosa because of some BS reason.
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yea, i can't remember where I found that out.

I also read something yesterday that compared attendance figures between MTL and CHC. I believe the Cubs were only drawing 2+ million back in the 1980s, and the last couple of years he played in Montreal they actually outdrew the Cubs by quite a bit.
Expo's were a very good team. as far as attendance goes when they were winning they drew fans but after a few years of NOT WINNING the fans went away. In the 80's the Cubs only had a .500 or better season 2 times. Expos did it 7 times. The Attendance for the decade was Cubs 17,205,805.... The Expos attendance for the 80's was 17,732,204. So for all the extra victories they got they only got a little over 50,000 more people average every year. Since 1969 the Cub's attendance at Wrigley has been 85,845,376. The Expo's/Nationals have drawn 59,714,537 (This total includes the 6 years of Washington Nationals who have drawn 10,966,272 in Washington DC) The Expo's/Nationals franchise has finished .500 or above 17 times since 1969. The Cub's have finished .500 or above only 16 times since 1969.

You would think that we should have had a lot more people "Upper Management People" who were told "Don't go away mad just go away".
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